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FOR RELEASE: 21 OCTOBER 1999 AT 20:00 ET US
University of Chicago Medical Center
http://www.medcenter.uchicago.edu/
Lack of sleep alters hormones, metabolism
Chronic sleep loss can reduce the capacity of even young adults to perform
basic metabolic functions such as processing and storing carbohydrates or
regulating hormone secretion, report researchers from the University of
Chicago Medical Center in the October 23 issue of The Lancet. Cutting back
from the
standard eight down to four hours of sleep each night produced striking
changes in glucose tolerance and endocrine function -- changes that resembled
the
effects of advanced age or the early stages of diabetes -- after less than one
week.
Although many studies have examined the short-term effects of acute, total
sleep deprivation on the brain, this is the first to investigate the impact of
chronic, partial sleep loss on the body by evaluating the metabolism and
hormone secretion of subjects subjected to sleep restriction and after sleep
recovery.
"We found that the metabolic and endocrine changes resulting from a
significant sleep debt mimic many of the hallmarks of aging," said Eve Van
Cauter, Ph.D., professor of medicine at the University of Chicago and
director of the study.
"We suspect that chronic sleep loss may not only hasten the onset but could
also increase the severity of age-related ailments such as diabetes,
hypertension, obesity and memory loss."
Cutting back on sleep is an extremely common response to the time pressures of
modern industrial societies. The average night's sleep decreased from about
nine hours in 1910 to about 7.5 hours in 1975, a trend that continues.
Millions of shift workers average less than five hours per work day. Previous
studies,
however, have measured only the cognitive consequences of sleep loss.
Van Cauter and colleagues Karine Spiegel and Rachel Leproult chose to focus
instead on the physiologic effects of sleep loss, how sleep deprivation
altered basic bodily functions such regulating blood-sugar levels, storing
away energy
from food and the production of various hormones.
They followed 11 healthy young men for 16 consecutive nights. The first three
nights the subjects were allowed to sleep for eight hours, from 11 p.m. to 7
a.m. The next six nights they slept four hours, from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. The
following seven nights they spent 12 hours in bed, from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. All
subjects received identical diets.
The researchers constantly assessed each volunteer's wakefulness and heart
rate. They performed sleep studies on the last two eight-hour nights, the last
two four-hour nights, and the first and last two 12-hour nights. They
performed glucose tolerance tests on the fifth day of sleep deprivation and
the fifth
day of sleep recovery and monitored glucose and hormone levels every 30
minutes on
the sixth day of deprivation and of recovery.
They found profound alterations of glucose metabolism, in some situations
resembling patients with type-2 diabetes, during sleep deprivation. When
tested during the height of their sleep debt, subjects took 40 percent longer
than
normal to regulate their blood sugar levels following a high-carbohydrate
meal. Their ability to secrete insulin and to respond to insulin both
decreased by
about 30 percent. A similar decrease in acute insulin response is an early
marker of diabetes.
The differences were particularly marked when tested in the mornings. "Under
sleep debt conditions, our young lean subjects would have responded to a
morning glucose tolerance test in a manner consistent with current diagnostic
criteria for impaired glucose tolerance," note the authors. Impaired glucose
tolerance is an early symptom of diabetes.
Sleep deprivation also altered the production and action of other hormones,
dampening the secretion of thyroid stimulating hormone and increasing blood
levels of cortisol, especially during the afternoon and evening. Elevated
evening cortisol levels are typical of much older subjects and are thought to
be related to age-related health problems such as insulin resistance and
memory impairment.
All of these abnormalities quickly returned to baseline during the recovery
period, when subjects spent 12 hours in bed. In fact, as the subjects spent
more than eight hours a night in bed, their laboratory values moved beyond the
"normal" or baseline standards, suggesting that even eight hours of sleep does
not produce the fully rested state. Young adults may function best after more
than eight hours of rest each night.
"While the primary function of sleep may very well be cerebral restoration,"
note the authors, "our findings indicate that sleep loss also has consequences
for peripheral function that, if maintained chronically, could have long term
adverse health effects."
Funding for this study was supplied by the Research Network on Mind-Body
Interactions of the MacArthur Foundation (Chicago), the U.S. Air Force Office
of Scientific Research and the National Institutes of Health.
________
FOR RELEASE: 21 OCTOBER 1999 AT 19:00 ET US
Center for the Advancement of Health
Sleep debt affects metabolic functions
Chronic sleep loss can have a detrimental effect on metabolic functions, new
research shows.
"The state of sleep debt has a harmful impact on carbohydrate metabolism and
endocrine function," write Karine Spiegel, PhD, and colleagues in the October
23, 1999 issue of The Lancet, a leading British medical journal. These effects
are commonly seen as part of the normal aging process, and persistent sleep
debt may, therefore, increase the severity of age-related chronic disorders.
During this century, the average number of hours that people spend asleep per
night in more-developed countries has decreased from nine hours to 7.5 hours.
The change has been made to accommodate increased demands of work, with
around-the-clock production, shift work, etc, as well as more leisure
activities. The consensus is that sleep is beneficial for the brain but not
for the rest of the body. There have been reports that the number of hours
asleep
each night can be voluntarily decreased without affecting daytime sleepiness,
mood, or cognitive function.
The scientists at the Department of Medicine, University of Chicago,
investigated whether sleep debt can alter metabolic and hormonal functions.
Eleven young men were enrolled into the study, and their carbohydrate
metabolism and hormonal functions were studied. For the first three nights,
the men were in bed for eight hours (fully rested condition). For six nights
they
were in bed for four hours per night (sleep-debt condition), and for the last
seven nights they were in bed for 12 hours per night. The investigators took
measurements during the day of glucose tolerance, cortisol concentrations (a
hormone that helps to regulate blood sugar concentrations), heart rate,
sleepiness, and the profiles of hormones of the hypothalamus, and the
pituitary and adrenal glands.
At the end of the sleep-debt conditions, glucose concentrations in the blood
were higher than in the fully rested conditions, and concentrations of
thyrotropin, which regulates the release of thyroid hormones, were lower.
Cortisol concentrations in the evening were increased after sleep debt, as was
the activity of the sympathetic nervous system, which controls many of the
body's "involuntary" functions.
The research was supported by a grant from the Research Network on Mind-Body
Interactions of the MacArthur Foundation, by a grant from the U.S. Air Force
Office of Scientific Research, and by grants from the National Institutes of
Health.
Posted by the Center for the Advancement of Health < http://www.cfah.org

In a message dated 10/27/1999 06:46:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
AKchum@... writes:
<< From: AKchum@...
Sorry, I missed the website url mentioned below. Could you repeat that?
<< Most people are quite capable of 'treating' their own thyroid problems and
the web site tells you how to do it.
best wishes,
Thanks!
Linda M.
Hi, Linda,
The website hyperlink and URL are below: This is an excellent site, and the
thyrodine and ImmonoGuard have worked very well for myself and my wife. The
website owner, Earl Conroy is member of this list, and he operates a health
clinic in New Zealand. His email address is: waiorama@...
Please be patient (no pun intended), as he is a very busy man plus the time
zone differences, but he will gladly personally answer any questions you may
have about the proprietary formulas he carries for sale. Also, the
international mail may be a lot slower than the domestic US Postal Service
we are used to.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...
<A HREF="http://www.thyrodine.com/"
thyrodine, thyroid dysfunction, thyroid remedy</A
It is http://www.thyrodine.com/

Sorry, I missed the website url mentioned below. Could you repeat that?
<< Most people are quite capable of 'treating' their own thyroid problems and
the web site tells you how to do it.
best wishes,
Thanks!
Linda M.

Dear Joyce and Tres:
Blood tests for thyroid function are notoriously inaccurate. And should a
doctor decide that there may be a hypothyroid all they have access to are;
1-a synthetic hormone that cannot be the same as your body makes
2-an extract of pig thyroid gland
A natural alternative that restores thyroid function can be accessed at
www.thyrodine.com
The primary reason that T4 does not convert to T3 is due to deficiencies of
zinc, B6, selenium, manganese and other nutrients. These are not areas
medically trained personnel are familiar with.
Most people are quite capable of 'treating' their own thyroid problems and
the web site tells you how to do it.
best wishes,
Earl

In a message dated 10/26/99 5:19:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
waiorama@... writes:
<< Most people are quite capable of 'treating' their own thyroid problems and
the web site tells you how to do it.
best wishes,
Thank you for that reply, Earl. I am taking supplements of zinc and B6,
among other things. So at least I'm doing part of it right. I will check
out the thyrodine website and pay closer attention this time.
Thanks again,
Joyce

In a message dated 10/26/1999 03:36:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
AKchum@... writes:
<< From: AKchum@...
Hi, Everyone. I'm wondering if anyone on the list has identified fluoride
as
a cause or irritant of their hypothyroidism? I'd love you hear from you.
Linda M.
I had heard somewhere that flouride had been identified as cause or
protagonist of hypothyroidism, but I cannot remember where I had heard this.
I go to a very progressive holistic dentist, and I inquired about the
toxicity of topical flouride treatments provided by many dentists. This is
that procedure in the dentist's office where they fill rubber molds with a
thick liquid flouride, and these molds are placed in your mouth surrounding
your upper and lower teeth for 5 minutes. Their office highly recommends
flouride when used in this manner, and in flouride toothpaste, which is not
ingested. However the flouridated water controversy is a totally different
matter because this is drank and goes into the body. They are opposed to the
flouridated drinking water.
Ira

Hi, Everyone. I'm wondering if anyone on the list has identified fluoride as
a cause or irritant of their hypothyroidism? I'd love you hear from you.
Linda M.

Thank you for this information Earl, I did start using progestimax cream
when I started the thyrodine. I have had all melal fillings replaced. I
drink only distilled water and have stopped eating raw broc etc. Still
eating cooked in moderation, cut out the soy products. I havent been taking
amino acids I seem to be doing better and better. You mentioned a micro diet
or something like that I never did get that would you mind posting it? I
would really apreciate it. Thank you so much for your help. blessings
Sabra

I am not sure, but I believe the list owner of hypothyroidism@onelist is
dusan who lives in Norway. He also operates many other health related
lists, and he is very knowledgeable about a lot of alternative therapies, and
has a fascinating personal life story, and a great website, too. Dusan,
please correct me if I am wrong. This would be a good opportunity for you to
share your website information with the rest of the listmembers.
You can contact him at dusan@...
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...

I was just wondering who the moderator of this list is... I've never
seen anyone mention being the list moderator.
Thanks,
Sharon

Dear Sabra:
I would doubt that you would be getting too much iodine. It's never happened
before. Remember, that thyroid is complemented by progesterone. You may need
to consider using a natural progsterone cream to get full benefit from the
Thyrodine. There are also some powerful thyroid suppressors. I'll see if I
can copy off the list for you.
best wishes,
Earl
THYROID INHIBITORS:
1--deficiencies of: iodine, B vitamins, macro and trace minerals, the
amino acid tyrosine, possibly taurine and glutamine and Vitamins A-C-E in
hyperthyroid.
2-soy isoflavones-are potent thyroid inhibitors
3-raw brassicas-broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts
4-agricultural spray residues on and chemicals in food
5-chlorine / fluorides in water [as well as the myriad of other water
treatments]
6-antibodies formed from inflammation caused by viruses, bacteria, yeast,
flukes, parasites which cause auto-immune activity destroying thyroid
tissues.
7-medical mutilation; surgery, RAI [radio-active iodine], suppressive drugs
8-many, [most] drugs, including synthetic thyroid, suppress thyroid function
9-radiation from nuclear plants, high power lines, microwaves, TVs,
computers,
water beds, electric blankets, some electrical appliances
10-endotoxins from Candida [79 distinct toxins], toxic intestines, IBS,
leaky gut,
Candida induces 2000% increase in IgE antibodies resulting in allergies
11-estrogen dominance suppresses thyroid function, predisposes to cancer.
12-heavy metals such as mercury [amalgam tooth fillings], cadmium, iron

List,
My e-mails were all lost Saturday. If anyone posted a messare for me,
that's why I haven't replied. If that is the case, please post the
message again.
Kip

In a message dated 10/22/1999 12:26:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kristilee1@... writes:
<< Hi Ira
Thanks so much for sending me the information! I am interested in the book
and also in the vitamin compound you recommend, I am going to see if I can
find it locally.
I find the idea of Synthroid to be a little unnerving. I am a very
nature-oriented type person, into organic foods, am vegetarian, etc., and I
don't like the idea of being dependent on a synthetic at all. If you don't
mind could you tell me why you don't like Synthroid??
I am interested in discussing the naturally derived medications with my
doctor but have concerns about that as well....they get the hormones from
pigs...and I try to avoid animal products and products which are made with
cruelty to animals...I guess I have no choice though it's either synthetic
or pigs....
Have you ever taken Synthroid or did you always take the Armour?
Thanks again for the info, it is very helpful to me.
In peace,
Kristilee (*
Hi, Kristilee,
As my first name is not a common one, many people assume that I am a female.
Just for your information, I am a 54 year old male. My wife and I have been
studying nutrition and alternative therapies for very many years.
The only place to get the Thyrodine I referred to is from one of the other
list members named Earl Conroy who lives in New Zealand, where he operates a
clinic Visit his website at www.thyrodine.com Here is the hyperlink for
his website.
<A HREF="http://www.thyrodine.com/"
dysfunction, thyroid remedy</A
Also, his email address is waiorama@...
I had read the book by Dr. Broda Barnes and realized that I had a lot of the
symptoms of hypothyroidism. My regular medical doctor had run the standard
thyroid blood tests, and the results were in the normal range. He diagnosed
me as having hypochondriacism, so I stopped going to him. I took the Barnes
Basal Metabolic Test for two weeks, and my underarm temperature was always
well below the lower threshold of subclinical hypothyroidism. I went to a
holistic alternative therapy nutrition-oriented doctor with that book in hand
and a detailed listing of my temperature readings. He was already familiar
with Dr. Barnes book, work, and theories, and accepted them as valid. He
prescribed the Armour thyroid for me, and I have taken the Armour thyroid
from pigs ever since 1988.
Synthroid is an artificial synthetic laboratory made so called equivelent of
thyroid hormone which can be patented and sold at a high price to make
pharmaceutical companies rich. It is many times stronger than the natural
Armour thyroid. Doctors have been brainwashed against the Armour thyroid by
the pharmaceutical companies. One of their arguments is that the synthroid
can be USP standardized, but the armour can vary in potency. I have never
taken the synthroid, and I refuse to do so. My father also was taking the
Armour thyroid, and his health greatly improved with it. When he was
admitted to the hospital with some medical problems, his doctor put him on
the highest doseage of synthroid available, even though it was specifically
contraindicated for my father's medical condition. He had been on the
lowest doseage of Armour thyroid available prior to going into the hospital.
His condition was seriously worsening, so I asked to review the medications
he was on. When I found out, I was furious, because this pompous doctor
actually severely did medical damage to my father instead of helping him. His
reply was that the hospital pharmacy does not carry the Armour thyroid. The
nurse was about to give him another dosage, and I forbade her to do it. The
nurse threatened to call security to have me removed. I was at no time rude
or disruptive, but I did tell her that I would prevent her from giving my
father the synthroid. I demanded to speak to the administrator of the
hospital doctor's staff, and explained my position to him. I told him I
wanted this doctor removed from my father's case immediately. The synthroid
made my father senile in that he did not even know who I was. The doctor
told me my father was senile when he arrived at the hospital, which was not
true. The synthroid also caused my father's blood pressure to severly
fluctuate. After he was taken off of if, he condition improved and he was
normal and ready to be released about one week later.
I am sorry to ramble on like this, but I am still so angry at the stupidity
and incompetence of the established medical profession. It does make me feel
better to able to vent like this.
I recommend the Thyrodine available from Earl Conroy, which will feed your
thyroid the nutrients it needs to function normally. Also eat kelp. You
should notice a lot more energy, and who can't use that???
Ira

This is my web site if you would like to check it out.
http://www.bigfoot.com/~TrishK
My web site if full of health related links/forums/newsletters.
Trish

I've been using Thyrodine to step down my dose of Levoxyl. I started at
150 mcg and went down to none a little too quickly, I think. I went back
up to 75 mcg and have since been stepping down more slowly. Today, I'm
taking another step down from 50 mcg to 37.5 mcg. I went from 62.5 mcg
to 50 mcg in about a week then, I went from 50 mcg to where I'm at today
at 37.5 mcg in eight days. I'll stay at this level for a longer period
of time and much more slowly step down to 25 mcg to 12.5 mcg to none.
Kip

Dear Cindy:
If you'll check out www.thyrodine.com you'll find all the data you'll need
to intelligently understand the why and how of thyroid dysfunction.
Best wishes,
Earl

Dear Marylee:
Your best source of data is at: www.thyrodine.com
Chances are that in addition to Thyrodine to restore your thyroid function,
you may need progesterone cream to complement the Thyrodine. A Biogenic
nutritional program would also be incredibly beneficial.
best wishes,
Earl

In a message dated 10/21/1999 07:32:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
herbs@... writes:
<< I see you have the thyrodine.com web site listed at the end of your
message.
Does that mean that you endorse thyrodine?
Trish
Hi, Trish,
Yes I do endorse and personally recommend Thyrodine and ImmunoGuard
. My wife and I have both been taking those products for a long enough
period of time to notice an almost instant increase of energy and other
health benefits. I had been taking 30 mg of Armour Thyroid daily for many
years, and I have reduced that dosage significantly. I am hypothyroid, but
my wife has weak adrenals. Although she has never actually been diagnosed
with hypothyroidism, before taking the Thyrodine, she would occasionally take
one of my Armour Thyroid pills for a few days once a month, which would
always provide benefit for her. We believe that this in no way would
correlate to her menstal cycles, as she has been postmenopause for many
years.
I had actually written a long precise evaluation of our experiences with
Thyrodine and ImmunoGuard, but it had somehow gotten deleted from my computer
before I was able to send it the list. America OnLine has a popup timer
which will automatically knock one offline if they think that the subscriber
is not using his computer. I had an antitimer program which would
automatically satisfy the popup timer messages, but America Online found out
about it, and they somehow were able to disable it, and changed their popup
timer message. When I had left my computer for 5 minutes, they had
disconnected me, and I lost all the work I had done. I will have to totally
rewrite that email when I have the time.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...

In a message dated 10/20/1999 10:13:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Marygold61@... writes:
<
Hi, Marylee, and I think that all of the other list members would also find
this post to be helpful.
Welcome to the list. I do have a few suggestions for you:
Immediately purchase a book entitled "SOLVED: THE RIDDLE OF ILLNESS" by
Steven E. Langer, M.D. (ISBN# 0-87983-357-2 published by Keats Publishing
Company, and another book written by Broda O. Barnes, M.D., entitled
"HYPOTHYROIDISM: THE UNSUSPECTED ILLNESS" which is published by Thomas Y.
Crowell Co. Many of the larger health food stores carry these books, as well
as most of the larger better known booksellers. Both of these books will
become your most treasured possessions, and they will clearly explain the
working of the thyroid and how it affects every other body and brain
functioning. They are written for the lay person without a bunch of
technical medical jibberish jargon.
My second suggestion is that you review the hypothyroidism archives which
includes all of the posts made to the list since it was created. I am sure
that you will find lots of useful information there. I have copied and
pasted the web site address below for you, or it is also listed on every
welcome message. Or you can go to the onelist.com website to see your
subscribed to lists, and there is feature there which will bring up all of
the archived posts.
List Archives:
http://www.onelist.com/archive/hypothyroidism
And the third suggestion, and perhaps the most important, I have is that you
pray to God for the blessings of good health, and any other prayers that you
deem to be appropriate.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...

Hi friends,
Despite the name of colon health network, this site includes many health
sources and subjects besides colon health..
<A HREF="http://colonhealth.net/access/newsletr.htm"
Health Network: 'HealthE-Living News' Subscription Request</A
http://colonhealth.net/access/newsletr.htm

Hi...
I'm Marylee and I live in Houston. I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism 2
weeks ago. I had a baby 8 months ago and gained a LOT of weight during
pregnancy. Haven't lost much at all. I knew there had to be a problem with
my metabolism and sure enough there was. I'm hoping to get better soon. I
have an appointment with an endocrinologist at 6 weeks. I don't feel any
better yet; no energy and no weight loss :-(
I look forward to learning from you all; I feel very UNknowledgeable with
this!
Marylee

Hello!
I am new to the list. My daughter is 16 yrs old and has hypothyroidism. She
was diagnosed at age 7 days.
Thanks,
Cindy
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Hi Friends,
Wow, if this is true that a product has to contain only 5% natural
ingredients to be legally labeled as natural, then it looks as though we
have all been deceived. I thought you all would be interested in reading
this, and if you want to subscribe directly to the Sir Jason Winters
Newsletter yourself, it is a free subscription. This has been copied and
pasted in its entirety.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...
Subj: RE: Sir Jason Winters Newsletter - October 1999
Date: 10/18/1999 03:37:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: sirjason-owner@... (Jason Winters International)
To: iramfine@... (List Member)
Jason Winters International - http://www.sirjasonwinters.com

Hello all, I knew about the burpee family of foods being thyroid depressing
foods but was surprised to hear that spinich (one of my favorites) is also.
I am alergic to dairy and thought I could replace the lost calcium by eating
spinich and kale.I was also dissapointed to learn that Soy is a thyroid
blocker also trying to adhere to a vegitarian diet soy is a usually a good
sub. I'm really having a hard time figuring out what I'm supposed to eat.
Thanyou for the information. Best wishes, Sabra

Hi, friends,
Once again while looking for specific information, I stumbled across an
allergy website which looks intriguing. I am sharing it with you, and I have
read most of it checked it out, but I am not evaluating it. It appears to be
a good source of information. Check it out, but use your own judgement.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...
<A HREF="http://www.allercare.com/"
http://www.allercare.com/

I was just reading in James F. and Phyllis A. Balch's book Prescription for
Nutiritional Healing that the follwoing foods block iodine absorption (when
eaten raw in large amounts) and should be limiteded when you are
hypothyroid:
Brussel sprouts
cabbage
cauliflower
kale
peaches
pears
spinach and
turnips.
He also gives the symptoms of iodine overdose: metallic taste and sores in
the mouth, swollen salivary glands, diarrhea and vomiting.
The Balch book focuses more than I'd like on supplements (maybe why the
sstores here which sell supplements also sell the Balch book) but it is a
good source of info. It's how I learned that most of my health complaints
were based on the lack of one amino acid or another and realized that it was
likely my body wasn't digesting or absorbing the protein from the vegetarian
diet I'd been eating for 20 years.
Taking my kelp tablet. Eating my seaweed and being a good little O diet
person, but also eating kale, peaches, pears, spinach and turnips,
undermining the thyroid support program. Hmmm. So much to know.
Aikya

Dear Ira:
I have heard and seen a rebuttal to Dr. Wallach's Dead Doctors. Apparently,
there are a lot of inaccuracies in his tape but that doesn't invalidate his
products.
best wishes,
Earl

Hello, Health-Conscious friends. and especially for the attention of Chet Day.
While surfing the net looking for some specific information, I stumbled
acrosss this website which is critical of the Dead Doctors Don't Lie tape
and Dr. Joel Wallach. Chet, I have ordered the Dr. Druckers Liquid Micro
Minerals from Quest For Health, and I noticed almost instant energy from it.
(I am also a Quest for Health distributor) I have to be sure I take it early
enough, or I it keeps me awake at night. I thought you would be interested
in hearing about this website that I have forwarded to you and to several
others.
Ira M. Fine
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<A HREF="http://www.wellweb.com/altern/bunko/deaddocs.htm"
Doctors Don't Die -- A Critique of Colloidal Minerals</A
http://www.wellweb.com/altern/bunko/deaddocs.htm

Hi, friends,
For a real eye-opener, read this article about Monsanto, the FDA, and
corruption in the USA. It is about the Bovine Growth Hormone, and its health
dangers to people who drink the milk it contains. You can subscribe directly
to Robert Cohen's mailing list by sending email to:
dorietz@... (DEB News)
Ira M. Fine
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<A HREF="http://www.farmsanctuary.org/newsletter/news_cohen01.htm"
here: Farm Sanctuary - Newsletter</A
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/newsletter/news_cohen01.htm

Hi,
This newsletter contains some good stuff, but what I believe is especially
important is information about Dr. Hulda Clark who was arrested for
practicing medicine without a license in Indiana. Dr. Clark deserves our
support and prayers; she is wonderful humanitarian who deserves to be honored
and praised, not arrested.
Ira
iramfine@...
Subj: Health & Beyond Weekly No. 34
Date: 10/06/1999 04:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: chet@... (Chet Day)
Reply-to: hbweekly-owner@onelist.com
To: hbweekly@onelist.com
From: "Chet Day" <chet@...

Hello, I have been subsribed to Chet Days list for quite a while now and I
have been through two of his 21 day programs. I have to say it is wonderful!
Thanks, Sabra

Hi,
To the many people who indicated they want me to send them health related
information. I would like to offer you all a perspective on myself. What
started out to be a short explanation of where my health information comes
from has turned into a much longer explanation on some of my theories, and
specific product recommendations, and ethical questions.
As a child, I grew up with many serious health problems. It never occurred
to me that they were caused by poor nutrition and unsanitary conditions.
Fortunately for me, my wife was knowledgeable about the health benefits of
vitamins, minerals, and herbs. I saw many chronic health conditions I had
had since childhood completely disappear or improve greatly so as not to be a
major problem. This made me a believer in alternative health theories.
My father came to live with us when he was 78 years old. He had many health
problems such as high blood pressure, bronchitis, emphysemia, asthma,
vertigo, tinnitus, prostate and skin cancer, and many more. I dedicated my
life to curing his maladies. Over a period of four years, his health
improved greatly under my direct care. His doctor had the attitude that
vitamins and minerals would not hurt him, so he did not try to stop me, but
my father's attitude was that he believed in the doctor, and his doctors had
to approve of everything I did. This is when my studying of alternative
health began in earnest. Except for my wife, my whole family thought I was
a radical health nut. However, they could not deny seeing the radical
improvement in my father's health over that six year period. After my father
died, I went into a deep depression. He did not die from the cancer, but he
died because his doctor told us he was cured of a bronchial infection, and
the doctor did not need to see him again. The doctor was wrong. As a
result, I have adopted a personal crusade to help others where I did not help
my father enough.
My wife and I do many hours of health study research each week, and some is
from reading books and corresponding with knowledgeable people whom we know.
Most of mine is on the internet, and I also subscribe to many health related
internet mailing lists and subscriptions to magazines, most of which are
alternative health in nature. Much of what I share with those to whom I send
information on my mailing lists are from some of these mailing lists to which
I subscribe which I copy and paste and then forward. We are well known at
all of the health food stores within a 40 mile range of where we live in
eastern Pennsylvania.
I do not accept everything I read or receive as necessarily my being in
agreement with, but I always try to keep an open mind. I have found that
some things that at first reading may seem to be unbelievable quackery, but
upon closer scrutiny, has shown to be totally very valid. Hulda Clark's work
with the parasite zapper was one example of that for me personally. Now I
believe her work and theories to be totally valid, and I whole heartedly
recommend her books and theories to others. My wife and I have both been on
her program, including buying a zapper, and the results we achieved were
amazing. The established allopathic medical community nor anyone else has
been able to disprove her theories.
We have also tried Earl Conroy's Thyrodine and ImmunoGuard for my
hypothyroidism, and my wife's weak adrenal problems. We found that we both
had much more energy and motivation, and improvement in our mental attitudes.
Over the years, we have tried many of those MLM health product schemes, and
we have found little noticeable improvements. That is not to say the
products are not good, or have not shown good results for other people who
have taken them. It is just that we did not perceive any health
improvements, so we think the hype may have been exagerated for these
particular products.
I believe in the healing power of magnets: I sleep on a Nikken mattress pad,
and I wear Nikken insoles in my shoes. I have osteoarthritis and rheumatism.
The magnetic products helped me immensely. I also drink distilled water
with coral calcium added, and I drink Dr. Drucker's Quest for Health
MicroMinerals. These two products also have produced fantastic and very
noticeable health improvements for me and my family and friends. These
products are MLM marketed, and I am a distributor for all of these products.
Is it unethical for me to recommend these products and then suggest you order
them through me?? Yes and no. Certainly if I provide you with my
distributor numbers, and many of you do order these products using my
distributor number, I will receive a monetary commision from these companies.
Is it wrong for me to benefit financially from recommending products that
work well and bring relief or solve health problems for others? I think the
answer lies in intent and results. It really is not my intent to make money
from these products, but it is my intent to help others with sharing health
information, and if this information includes sharing products that I
personally believe in with others, I think that is all right. What is
important is that if you try these products, you are also happy and very
satisfied with them because you have noticed the health benefits and
improvements they claim. With the exception of Nikken magnetic products,
which I believe are grossly overpriced, any company that I deal with provides
at least a 30 day customer satisfaction guarantee. You all are welcome to
order the products directly from the company without using my distributor
number, so that I would not receive any kind of a commision from your
purchase. What is important is that your health problems are solved or
alleviated. I am not trying to build a downline on these MLM products. I
really only became a distributor so that I could purchase it myself at
distributor cost instead of paying the full retail price.
Most of what I do is sharing of found information, and it is up to each
reader to evaluate it and accept or reject whatever he or she may decide. If
I personally recommend either a particular product, or a particular protocol,
or other thing, it is based on my actual experience with that product or
protocol. If a particular product works and provides the health benefits
claimed, I do not believe it is unethical to endorse or recommend such
products. I am not personally receiving any monetary commision or kickback
from those recommendations, unless it is something I am a distributor for,
and you use my distributor number when ordering those products.
Some of what I forward are commercial websites, and their purpose is to
persuade readers to purchase their products. Often, I have not actually
tried the products these websites are promoting. Many people who know me
personally have great respect and credibility for my personal
recommendations. For this reason, unless I state that I am personally
recommending a specific product or treatment, assume that I am not.
Also, I have no degrees or other officially recognized medical credentials.
I only have a passionate interest in alternative health and nutritional
studies due to trying to find solutions to health problems that I, my family
and friends and other loved ones have had. It has become an obsession with
me.
I believe in God, and I believe that God wants me to operate a rooming
boarding residency hotel for people who are in transitional situations, and
that God also wants me to help others with health problems based on
nutritional, vitamin, mineral, herbal, and other alternative health
modalities.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...

I am forwarding this to those on my mailing list. You may sign up for a free
weekly subscription to Chet Day's mailing list. I have a lot of faith in
Chet Day's
recommendations.
Ira M. Fine
iramfine@...
Subj: Chet Day's Health & Beyond Weekly No.
Date: 10/13/1999 05:27:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: chet@... (Chet Day)
Reply-to: hbweekly-owner@onelist.com
To: hbweekly@onelist.com
From: "Chet Day" <chet@...

My name is Tres and I am also new to the list .I am just like you Joyce, I
am
showing all the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but my test came back
neg..
The only difference is , is I did some research and took it to my doc and showed
her that many
times nothing shows in the blood work, so I asked If she would try me on thyroid
meds anyway
and see how I do. She agreed, and I am now on my 3rd weed of synthroid.
So far, I do seem to have a slight increase in energy, and I have also had very
severe swelling for years mostly in my legs, but not limit to them , that for
the
first time in years, went down quite a bit.
( With the exception of the past four days, I puffed back up, and I am not sure
if
it is allergies, the
heat, or the fact that I have been forgeting to take my medication and have been
very irregular with
it.)
In the past ten years I have gained over 100 lbs., have severe pitting edema,
oily
dry flakey skin,
stomach and digestive problems, brittle nailes, dry hair, pain over my whole
body,( sometimes so
bad I can hardly get out of bed or get out of the chair to walk across the room
),
muscle spasms,
pain in my muscles and joints, blurred vision, deppression, bad tempered,
weakness, throat in the
area of thyriod sore to touch, sick often, fatige, sleeplessness, then other
times
can't get enough sleep, and the list goes on.
Over the years I have tried all kinds of home remidies thinking I have had other
things wrong.
I have tried vit. and min., and juicing. ( I am still very convinced that
juicing
is something that
will help with all kinds of illness. That along with nutrition.)
None of these things helped , athough the juicing made me feel a bit better.
I hope I have finally found what is wrong with me.
If you can't get your doc to listen to you maybe you can get him to refer you to
a
thyriod doc.
He would be more knowledgable about it not showing in your bloodwork.
I hope everything works out for you Joyce. I know how hopeless it can feel when
you can't do
anything about it or get anyone else to do anything either.
I'm glad to get to know everyone.
Gods blessings on you all,
Tres

Hello list members,
I just subscribed to this list today. I have hypothyroidism but cannot seem
to get the doctors to acknowledge it. I exhibit all the signs and symptoms
but when the simple blood test is done, I'm told my thyroid is "normal."
Years ago it was discovered that the problem I have is the failure of T3 in
my body to convert to T4, but the doctors still don't want to do anything to
treat it. I keep getting copies of diets shoved at me....... like I
couldn't teach a class on diets already!!
I look forward to reading and posting on this list.
Joyce

Dear Sabra:
temperature should be 98.6, theoretically. Suggest that you take 4 drops 2x
a day of Thyrodine and leave Armour as is.
I'll be away for 4 days. But let me know how this regimen works for you.
best wishes,
Earl

Dear Earl, I have been taking the thyrodine, three drops in the morning and
three in the evening for a about two weeks now. I was taking it with the
immunoguard and now by its self. I ahve cut back on my armour thyroid by 1/4
tablet perday. I have been monitoring my resting temp in the mornings. It is
and continues to be aout 97.5 no change. My hands and feet feel cold which
is not usually the case although I understand this is commen in thyroid
disorder. My heart skips a beat here and there also. Am I on the right
track or am I cutting back on the armour to soon? Is 97.5 a normal underarm
resting temp or is it lover than it should be? I would very much apreaciate
your advise as soon as possible. Thakyou so much. best wishes Sabra.

The company that makes Armour Thyroid Medication is FOREST PHARMACEUTICALS,
NOT ARMOUR COMPANY. I have spoken to them many times regarding questions
about their product. If any of you have any questions you would like to ask
regarding their medication, the number is (800)678-1605.
Mary
Mary,
Armour thyroid was made by the Armour Meatpacking Company, when the product
was first marketed and made available. Since then, the pharmaceutical
division of Armour has been sold many times to many different companies. My
wife worked for Armour Pharmaceuticals in 1979 when it was owned by Reheis
Chemical which was a division of Greyhound Bus. (Go figure!!) It was
subsequently sold to Revlon, the cosmetics people, and my wife was
transferred to one of Armour's new warehouse locations. Armour also made
blood clotting factors as well as other medical products.
Regarding your comments on mad cow disease not being caused by Armour
thyroid, I posted an article to this mailing list about prions, and how this
disease affects sheep, cows, pigs, and other mammals. Slander is spoken
lies, and libel is written lies. Freedom of speech is when they are not
lies.
Ira

Melody,
O'siyo! (Hello! in Cherokee)
Best wishes, Kip

HI,
To all of those heath-conscious friends on my mailing list: Please take the
time to read this entire article with an open mind. It may just be a major
key to solving your health problems. It has been copied and pasted for your
benefit.
Ira
iramfine@...
Subj: [LeakyGut] Digest Number 4
Date: 10/12/1999 03:30:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: LeakyGut@onelist.com
Reply-to: LeakyGut@onelist.com
To: LeakyGut@onelist.com
http://home.sol.no/~dusan/

Morning to all!
I was just prepared to finish my shopping experience with Thyrodine and then
became concerned about security on that site. Has anyone used their cards
or have you all faxed? Also, I am really looking forward to hearing from
all of you who are taking Thyrodine. How long have you been on it. Have
you reduced your meds? How do you feel? I don't understand how you can be
taking a supplement and meds at the same time. I should think that it would
make you extremely hyper.
Sheila

Sheila,
I've used Thyrodine to go from 150mcg of Levoxyl down to 62.5mcg. I went
down to none a little too quickly I think and so went back up to 75mcg
and am now reducing more slowly. I will still get to zero. I'm having no
I'll effects although went I went to zero too quickly, I was tired and
too sleepy to drive safely. Everything is fine now that I've slowed the
pace of my withdrawal.
I had concerns about sending my credit card number over the internet so,
I got Earl Conroy's postal address from him and sent him a check. No
problem.
Kip

Free Concise Encyclopedia Article
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Prion, tiny particle of protein found in the brains of sheep that had died of
the disease called scrapie. Similar proteins have been observed in the animal
disease bovine spongiform encephalopathy, called "mad cow disease," and in
human diseases such as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. The possibility exists that
prions may cause such diseases, although the concept of prions as infectious
particles has not been generally accepted by the scientific community.

Hi, Again,
In case there are others out there on the list besides me who also do not
know what prions are, following is the encyclopaedia definition:
Ira
prion
unidentified infectious agent thought to cause a group of human and animal
diseases (Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease, kuru, scrapie, bovine spongiform
encephalitis) known as prion diseases. The diseases slowly attack brain
tissue, often leaving microscopic spongelike holes, and are characterized by
accumulations of abnormal forms of a protein, called prion protein, that
occurs naturally in brain tissue. Prion dieases have both hereditary and
infectious components; some scientists believe the abnormal prion protein is
the infectious agent. There is no effective treatment. See also SLOW VIRUS.

Someone had made reference to Mad Cow Disease, and Earl Conroy's reply used
the word prion. Not being familiar with that word, I used a search engine, I
came up with this, which I felt some of those on the list would want to see.
Besides giving the hyperlink and website address below, I also copied and
pasted the entire article.
Ira
<A HREF="http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/madcow.html"
Supplements and Spongiform Encephalopathy CJD Risks</A
http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/madcow.html
Mad Cow / Mad Pig
and Thyroid Risks
Could food supplements and medications be inadvertent media for the spread of
prion based brain diseases? Multiple sources would suggest this is possible,
even likely, due to the use of animal gelatins. This probability goes up even
more when the medication itself is a glandular extract.

Sounds like Dr. Margolis has his act together. Fortunately, there are some
MD's who are using a natural approach to therapy. They need to be supported.
Earl

Dear Mary;
Mad cow disease is spread from "prions" which appear to act like viruses. It
would be present in all animal tissue of an infected animal. In the meat,
blood and glands.
Its not like Hulda Clark's flukes. They are relatively huge parasites that
exist in tissues and can be seen. Prions carry the mad cow pattern. No one
knows what prions are. But sometime, just for fun, go out to a feedlot and
see for yourself what they feed cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys. That alone
would make you vegetarian.
Best wishes,
Earl

Dear Trish:
The ingredients in Thyrodine are:
1-a special form of iodine that is clinically proven to provide the basic
structure of T4
2-all the 'B' vitamins
3-all the macro and trace elements
4-3 essential amino acids, tyrosine, glutamine and taurine
All these provide the raw materials from which an intact thyrioid can
synthesize T4 and convert T4 into T3 as needed.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes,
Earl

Dear Trish:
Thyrodine contains:
1-a specific form of iodine that is incorporated into the T4 molecule better
than any other form
2-all the "B" vitamins
3-all the macro and trace minerals
4-the amino acids tyrosine, taurine and glutamine.
These form the raw materials the thyroid gland requires to make T4 and
convert T4 to T3 the "active" thyroid hormone.
Hope that helps,
Earl

Please tell me the exact ingredients in your thyrodine.
Thanks
Trish

This has been cut and pasted in its entirety so you will know the source of
this update about Hulda Clark.
Ira
Subj: [RF]: OFFL : Clark news
Date: 10/07/1999 11:03:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: blackice@... (Mark Bennett)
To: rife-list@... (RIFE LIST)

What is the ingredients in your product??
Trish

Hey Earl,
I sent you a email privately but you did not respond. Maybe you will here.
What is the exact ingredients in the Thyrodine. I did not find it on your
web site.
Thank You
Trish
http://www.bigfoot.com/~TrishK

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I have not taken maca, but I plan to order some and do so.
check out
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</A
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MACA (Lepidium Peruvianum Ch.)
Maca is increasing in popularity in Europe and the United States. Know as the
Peruvian Ginseng, it demonstrates a wide variety of therapeutic qualities.
This substantial herb has many medicinal and nutritional qualities; its root
contains a great deal of protein, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, it is
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Ira

Hello Terri,
I am presently taking Kelp which is supposed to be very good to take in
conjunction with thyroid medication and I can honestly say that I feel a
little better. I am not as tired and I have lost a few inches. I have only
been taking it for approximately two weeks.

Has anyone on this list taken maca? What effect did it have on your thyroid?
What other vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeopathics, etc. have you used that
seemed to be helpful?
Terri

I am curious as to how you could get Mad Cow disease from a pill that is made
from Pigs?
Mary

Mary is this armour prescribed by a medical doctor or is it natural product
I can get at health food stores etc?
Dr. Conroy, if you are are reading this, what has your experience been?

Hi Maria,
Sorry to hear you are not feeling well. I fired several doctors over the course
of the past two years. I finally found a good D.O. who put me on Armour and
this is the best that I have felt yet. I am almost completely back to what I
think is normal. I think in the future I will keep my Armour in the freezer
because I kept it in my purse and there were times that I was outside and left
it in my vehicle. Boy do they smell rotten. They are a natural product made
from pig thyroid. At first I didn't think I was getting anything from the
Armour. I was still losing a lot of hair after about 6 weeks of taking it but
since my doctor increased my dosage, it is getting better. Good Luck and don't
give up. I also take calcium and Theragran vitamins.
Mary

For the San Diego newspaper story on Dr. Hulda Clark who was arrested
September 20 for practicing medicine without a license in Indiana, click on
the hyperlink below, or copy and paste the url below.
Ira
<A HREF="http://www.uniontrib.com/news/metro/991005-0010_1m5hulda.html"
here: SignOn San Diego Metro -- Woman held on medical charges; supporters say
she cured them</A
http://www.uniontrib.com/news/metro/991005-0010_1m5hulda.html

After reading my mail this am, I am completely depressed. IS THERE ANYONE
OUT THERE WHO HAS HAD RAI AND FEELS GOOD? Anyone doing anything that is
actually working? Losing weight, feel more energetic? This is ridiculous, I
refuse to let this get me. There are people here that have had RAI and 2, 5,
7 years later are still sick. THERE HAS GOT TO BE AN ANSWER. The first
thing I did, was ditch all synthetic drugs and fire my doctor. Sick of this.

Hello!
Is it save to try Thyrodine if hypothyroidism is suspected, but blood
test is normal
(TSH=3.90 and free T-4=1.2)? In addition, adrenal test is marginal,
women's hormons
almost normal(I am 44 years old), a lot of systemic Candida, low
immunity and
VERY strong DIZZINESS/LOSS of balance (with all MRI and CAT scan
normal).
Good diet and super food supplements do not help a lot.
Thanks a lot.
Tamara.

Dear Bisque:
This is a second message. Once your thyroid has been destroyed its a bit
difficult to get it working again. What I have suggested to some folks is:
to obtain a magnet [data later] and tape it to the base of your neck for a
month. This may cause regeneration of some thyroid cells. Then the Thyrodine
may have some active cells to restore. I don't know that this will "work"
but it may.
It is here that I would like to emphasize to the list that RAI and surgery
are mutilations that never are successful. No one ever asks WHY there is
under or over thyroid function. These questions are answered on the web site
www.thyrodine.com
New design magnets may be accessed from Bioflex [use that for checking on
net]
If you wish more data, please ask me.
best wishes,
Earl

Hello,
I haven't had any problems with my stomach so much as I have constipation all
the time. I take estratest which is a hormone replacement pill. Armour is the
best I have taken although I wasn't too sure in the beginning because it took me
about 6-8 weeks to adjust to it and I thought I was getting worse. My TSH level
has reached 45 in the past but last count was 30. I am sure it is much lower
now. I practically have most of my life back. I barely hung on to my job but
all is well.
Mary

Hello,
I am new to the group. I had the radio-active iodine for hyperthyroid almost
7 years ago. It put my TSH at 36 until I could get on enough medication, I
had the joint pain so bad it would wake me up out of a deep sleep, I
couldn't drive and had to walk on crutches! I was out of work for 4 yrs.
because of problems after the treatment. I am now back at work full time and
it is still a struggle. I don't know if you ever return to feeling like
yourself after this treatment. It takes time to build up the meds to the
proper level, but the joint pain totally goes away once balanced. What I am
left with is all stomach upset and problems digesting food, IBS. Anytime I
change any amount of Thyroid levels my stomach goes nuts. I take
Levothyroid, and have tried the other brands, no different. I also keep
gaining weight even though my bloodwork is balanced.The Armour made me
queasy in the stomach. Anyone else have any problems with their stomach
related to the meds? I also take birth control pills, anyone else mix the
two? The doctors don't know much, they say if your blood work is balanced
you are fine and if you are gaining weight go to weight watchers, and if you
have stomach problems go to a stomach doctor. They never admit that the
whole hormonal system is all related and if they do they don't know how to
deal with it. Any thoughts?
Bisque

Hi Sabra,
I too have had the severe joint aches, but only when I was too low on thyroid.
I started taking my Armour at night and now it keeps me up in the day instead of
at night. I have never heard of Immunogard and Thyrodine. What is it? On my
last bout with hypo, I was taking the 60mg daily and my TSH hit 30. I was
having some serious respiratory problems and was extremely tired day and night.
Also had joint aches in almost every joint in my body. Within three weeks of
taking a higher dose 90mg of Armour, all symtoms have disappeared. Still not as
lively as I want to be but maybe in good time. I have tried many other drugs
such as Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc. but they gave me the worst headaches.
Discovered it was the dye in them that caused it. Also, the joint aches never
went away when I was on synthetic thyroid replacement. This is the best I have
felt in two years since having radioactive iodine to end my hyperthyroidism. I
am confident that I will be well in a matter of weeks if we can ever figure out
the proper dosage. Has anyone ever smelled their Armour. Mine smells like
something crawled in the jar and died. Pharmacist said that was normal. Would
enjoy some feedback.
Mary

Thanks for sharing. I'll write a response tomorrow morning when I get back. No
time right now.
Mary

Hi I am taking 90 mg of armour aday also.It seems to keep me somewhat ok,
but I'm still over weight and very tired in the day , insomnia at night. all
my joints ache and mucles cramp.I had all those things pluss heart
pulpitations and panic attachs before I started taking the armour so I am
greatfull for it but would like to get well. I try to not think about it
because I've been doing this for so long and no one likes a complainer. I
really have been miserable for a long time though. I started taking
Immunoguard and Thyrodine about fove days ago so it's to soon to know how
it's going to work for me. I'll keep posting on my progress. Best wishes,
Sabra

passing on good information.
Ira
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:26:32 -0700
From: Dana Sherrell <sherrell@...
Reply-To: sherrell@...
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To: blackice@...
Subject: THE CURE FOR ADVANCED CANCERS by Dr. Hulda Clark
X-UIDL: b5b5da44e763e9e0bf4a80c457db28f9
Hello Mark,
The new book "THE CURE FOR ADVANCED CANCERS" by Dr. Hulda R. Clark is
supposed to be available in a few days from the publisher. The retail
price is $21.95. My discounted price will be $19.95. See international
shipping and handling costs below.
If you would like to place your order for the Advanced Cancer book now, you
can do so by sending me a check or money order and I will mail it/them to
you as soon as I get my shipment in from the publisher. I suggest
verifying your calculations with me via email for multiple book orders
before you mail your check (made out to DANA SHERRELL) to...
Dana Sherrell
4079 Governor Drive, #272
San Diego, CA 92122
SHIPPING/HANDLING TO U.K. (USPS Global Priority):
1-2 books -- $ 8.95 S/H (One flat-rate envelope/package)
3-4 books -- $17.90 S/H (Two flat-rate envelopes/packages)
5-6 books -- $26.85 S/H (Three flat-rate envelopes/packages)
Blessings and good health,
Dana
P.S. Herbs, zappers, etc. recommended by Hulda are available from Jane
Kolar 619-208-2114. She can also discuss the program with you and relay
her experiences and those of her customers.

Hello,
I took a break from the list for awhile but I'm back. Still having problems
with being hypo but it's getting better. Going on two years now. I have
problems getting the correct dosage of medication. I am currently taking Armour
and boy does the medicine bottle stink on that one. Six weeks ago my TSH was
30. It has been higher than that but that was while I was on 60mg of Armour.
Anyone else out there take Armour? I'd like to know what strength of dose most
people take. Now I am on 90mg daily and doing a lot better but started having
trouble sleeping so I started taking it at night and now I get up early in the
morning ready to go. It seems like it takes awhile to get into my system.
Would love to hear some feedback from others.
Thanks,
Mary

Hello. My name is Aikya (rhymes with "like ya"). I just started using Dr.
D'Adamo's "Eat Right for Your Type" regimen for my type O blood. I have
suspected that I was hypothyroid for years now. I get very low blood
pressure, subnormal temperatures. I've been fighting the overweight battle
with little success. Blood tests usually don't show any problem with my
thyroid. It's very frustrating.
\
I followed the macrobiotic diet some years back. That involved eating quite
a bit of seaweed. That really helped. I'm going to start having that again
now with the D'Adamo program.
I just found out that too much vitamin C can cause a problem so I'll have to
find another anti-inflammatory...use the pineapply juice for water
retention.
I've got my dentist trained not to take Xrays every time I walk in the door.
What have other people done?
Aikya

Dear Dennis:
I would have sent instructions in a separate envelope. The instructions on
the bottles are the ones you folow. You take Thyrodine 3 drops in juice or
water before breakfast and before lunch. The ImmunoGuard...take 10 drops in
a full glass of water 4x a day, upon arising, before lunch, before dinner,
and before bed. You take the ImmunoGuard for 7 days, then stop taking it.
Use then as an antibiotic whenever needed.
You will obtain best results from this program if you'll get some Psyllium
Hulls Complex from the health food store [either Natures Sunshine or natures
Way]take 1 tablespoon in 1/2 glass aple juice after taking ImmunoGuard early
morning and before bed.
If you have further questions,please send to me
bestwishes,
Earl

Could anyone taking Thyrodine and Immuno-Guard please advise me on their
administration? Are they taken together, apart, day or night? I received
them without instructions.
Thanks,
Dennis Lipter

Message from
David P. Amrein
President, Dr. Clark Research Association
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 03:55:07 +0200
From: "Dr. Clark Assn." <david@...
Reply-To: david@...
Subject: CALL TO ARMS
URGENT: Dr. Hulda Clark -- Call To Arms
What has happened to Royal Raymond Rife, Dr. Burzynski and other pioneers
in medicine has finally happened to Dr. Hulda Clark.
On September 20, Dr. Hulda Clark was arrested in San Diego. She is
presently held in a prison in Santee, waiting to be extradited to Indiana,
where she is charged with "praciticing medicine without a license", a class
C felony facing 2-8 years in prison.
The patients in her clinic in Mexico, most of them terminally ill and
getting better under Dr. Clark's supervision, had to be sent home to try
and do the protocol on their own.
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Every week I receive several testimonials from patients who praise the work
of Dr. Clark and say how much it has helped them. You have a chance to make
yourselves heard now. There will be a hearing on Monday and we
want to present as many testimonials and protest letters as we can. You too
can be a part of this. Write an email to
healthy@... (Geoffrey Clark)
with your protest letter and/or testimonial with copy to
me@...
All the letters (hundreds are already on the way) will be used to present
to the authorities on Monday, and to the press that will be present also.
They must understand that we do not tolerate this kind of suppression of
information that saves lives.
We have decided to turn this into something positive and teach the
suppressors a lesson, like it has been done in the Dr. Atkins case. We are
working day and night now to make this happen (it is 3:24am as I am writing
this). But only grass roots support - meaning YOU - can help us do that.
FURTHER INFORMATION AND ACTION
As of next week, the domain www.freedrclark.com will update you on the case
and tell you what you can do to help Dr. Clark be free and proceed with her
research that saves lives daily. As long as the domain is not
workable yet you will find information on www.drclark.net as of Sunday.
www.freedrclark.com will tell you what other actions you can take to help
Dr. Clark, like addresses of the officials involved. Also you can make
donations to support this effort. It is now needed more than ever
before. You can already make donations on the membership form on
www.drclark.net -
Just add "court case" in one of the fields so that the donation will be
allocated correctly.
Counting on you
Sincerely
David P. Amrein
President, Dr. Clark Research Association
Subject: Hulda Clark in Jail
Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:43:45 -0700
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:45:44 -0500
From: "Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America"
<jdklein@...
I just received this disturbing news.
jd
THE ROAD TO HEALTH . . .
Using "The Clark Method" Newsletter
by Bonnie O'Sullivan
September/October 1999
Supplement to Number 29
Dr. Hulda R. Clark has been in a San Diego, CA jail since Monday,
September 20, 1999 Dr. Clark needs your help. She is in jail and needs your
letters, lots of letters, to be sent to the people listed in this
newsletter (in bold print on page 5). Send as many letters as you can to
as many people as you can
everyday (it can be the same letter each day) for the next month or two (or
until Dr. Clark is out of jail and/or out of danger).
Dear Friend,
On Tuesday morning, September 21, 1999, I was informed that Dr. Hulda
Regehr Clark had been arrested on September 20, 1999 on a 1993 Indiana
warrant and was in jail being held without bail. This letter is the first
in the series of supplements that will continue for as long as Dr. Clark
is fighting this case. (For faster updates send me your E-mail address and
fax number.) The following is information I have received from Geoff
Clark, Dr. Clark's son, and Dr. Frank Jerome, Dr. Clark's friend and
colleague (Dr. Jerome lives in Indiana).
September 22, 1999, from Geoff Clark:
"Dr. Clark was arraigned this morning and waived extradition. Attorneys
advised us that fighting a return to Indiana was almost certainly a losing
battle. Now Indiana has 30 days to come and escort her back or California
releases her (because she has broken no California laws). (I was told 72
hours, but that turned out to be for Indiana to produce a valid warrant.
30 days makes more sense.) The Judge set another hearing for October 4 to
review progress. No bail is possible here.
I won't be able to speak to her until Saturday, but she indicated through
her attorney that she wants writing materials so she can be productive.
Unfortunately she must buy them from the Detention Center, which takes a
week. No one is allowed to give an inmate ANYTHING because of drug problems
(soaked on clothes or paper, even).
Dr. Clark's attorney in Indiana is already working on the case. The next
step will be for him to find the appropriate prosecutor and ask him what
his intentions are. " [Note from Bonnie: I called Geoff immediately after
reading the above and asked if I could get the word out to everyone that
Dr. Clark needs our help. He asked me to wait a week as Dr. Clark's
attorney wanted to keep the case as quiet as possible until he knew what
the prosecutor's intentions were.]
September 26, 1999, from Geoff Clark:
"I visited Dr. Clark and found her in generally good spirits. She didn't
think the confinement was injuring her health so far, which was her
biggest concern. She did mention she was appreciating the outdoors more.
I passed on everyone's well wishes and support.
Although I don't expect her to be here more than a week, she can receive
mail addressed as follows:
Hulda Regehr Clark 99167154
9000 Cottonwood Ave.
Santee, CA 92071
"Of course all mail is opened. Enclosing a SASE and an extra sheet of
paper will make it easier for her to reply."
September 28, 1999, from Geoff Clark:
"I saw Dr. Clark on Sunday and found the biggest problem was boredom. She
is used to working 12 hour days, six and a half days a week. To go from
that to zero, with nothing to do but worry all day, is very stressful. She
wanted something to read. The Detention Center library has no college
Physics texts, no clinical biochemistry manuals, no graduate level
microbiology material. She is not interested in murder mysteries or
Harlequin romances. Unfortunately we are not allowed to give Dr. Clark any
books. However books direct from publishers are allowed, and I am ordering
some for her.
"Because the Brown County Prosecutor intends on making a case against Dr.
Clark, we have nothing to lose from publicity. I have hired a publicist
to keep the media informed, his name is:
Tim Bolen, JuriMed.
He works from his home in San Juan Capistrano, (949) 728-0838,
jurimed@....
"His first request is for persons with supportive stories to contact him
so he can select suitable ones for the media.
"Thank you, everyone, for any help you can give."
September 28, 1999, from Dr. Frank Jerome:
"I have written the following information that has been approved for
general release."
Report by Linda and Frank Jerome Concerning the Imprisonment of Dr. Hulda
Clark
The following is information we gathered today from visits to the Brown
County Prosecutor, Sheriff, Clerk's office and the Brown County Democrat
weekly newspaper.
General: Brown County is a small county i