How can you find help when they all say borderline....

2007-02-28 22:09:18

I have found this group and maybe you can help me finally find out
what is wrong with me. for most of my life I have been the slow one
who sleeps too much and doesn't go out and play. I became pregnant
and the lethargic feeling became worse.
Over the years I have been told I need to eat more calcium take
vitamins and not worry it is just a phase. Well I am 26 and wake up
in the morning feeling like I should be crawling into a wheelchair.
I have been tested for thyroid levels and always end in the 5.1 to
5.6 range over the last 8 years.. They say oh borderline borderline
and again send me home..
I have been told I am just depressed and for two years took
antidepressants which made me feel like the house could burn down and
I don't care but didn't make me feel any better physically.
Over the last year the symptoms have gotten worse but I feel that
because I am young no one takes me seriously. I have severe cramping
in my legs somtimes waking me up at night. I have been having
tightening pains in my chest (non smoker) and tingling in my hands
and fingers and legs during the day. I have been told I have high
cholesterol 247 but eat mainly a fruit and vegetable diet.. I do not
get bowel movements often usually a week and a half can go by and a
laxative seems to be the only way to help from the discomfort of non
movements.
i have no sense of balance and have been known to fall down
occasionally when sent off balance. I can't stay in the sun long and
most of the time spend time in the dark as light is aggravating to my
eyes.. I have dry scaly skin patches over my body mainly my face and
arms.. my hair is long but thin and falling out as well as dry and
brittle..
i wake up in the morning with cracking sounds of my hands and feets
as the joints as starting to be used.. it takes hours before I am
fully awake and alert and I stopped driving because I can't
concentrate on the road... I have problems remembering names and how
to spell now...getting headaches and dizziness spells and ringing in
the ears.. sometimes get loss of hearing in my left ear that comes
back after a few minutes...
My nails are thin and have tiny white marks on them... I bruise and
bleed easily.
I don't sweat even after a workout or very minimal although I drink 2
1/2 litres of water a day. I feel bloated after eating and usually
need to nap after eating...
recently a doctor did give me a exam and noticed my reflexes
were "jerky" and off from what is normal.. he asked me if i have been
tested before.. I told him not lately. again it was 5.4 and still
nothing done...
I am not a crazy I just feel that at my age I shouldn't feel this
old...I am not depressed although not knowing what is wrong with me
is more depressing and not finding a doctor who understands is more
depressing.. I don't even take tylenol for a headache so i am not
looking for a drug to provide a cure just want to feel normal...
Now i wouldn't have even thought it ist being a thyroid condition but
when even single female member of your family for three generations
has had thyroid problems and you are currently the only one not on
thyroid medication you start to wonder...
I am not sure what to do I just want to stop feeling terrible every
day.. I have given up on sex completely causing problems with myself
and my boyfriend as over the last few months my drive is not there..
I go to work come home and fall asleep by 930 pm. I take hours in the
morning to feel not droggy.. I am just so tired of being tired.. I
hardly eat anymore as it only seems to make me feel more tired.. i
can gain ten pound in two weeks if I don't watch the scale..
I am just so lost as to what to do i was hoping I could find someone
out there who can help me.. it seems that no matter what doctor I see
they pat me on the head and send me out the door.. i used to live
with it but the pains and cramping my hands and legs are becoming
unbearable..my lovelife is gone.. I can't even stay awake during the
day that a nap is needed.
My blood sugar is normal (whatever that means) and I am not anemic. I
just don't beleive in doctors anymore.. i have tried the holistic
approach,it has helped a bit but not anymore..I am not sure if the
normal levels for this tsh test is correct. I went to an internist
whotold me I was borderline but should be fine with a good diet and
exercise.. i replied to him.. I eathealthy and try to exercise but it
doesn't help...I am 5'7 inches and 170 pounds
can you be borderline and have hypothyroidism??? what do I have to do
to get a doctor to listen and see I am not well...
i live in EDMONTON Alberta Canada is there anyone I can see that
understands and can help or does anyone know where I can get a good
doctor that will help...
I am sorry about this but I am so frustrated about being turned away
but people who tell me to take a vacation get some sun you will feel
better...
If anyone has anything they can email me or send to me on this I
would appreciate it... I am so lost and feel alone on this...
redmariposa@...
thanks to all for reading this novel it felt good to let it out..
Melissa

Re[2]: [hypothyroidism] tests results back

2007-02-28 21:27:19

Hi Katrina,
Thursday, May 03, 2001, 10:47:03 AM, you wrote:
K
K
K
K
Six grains is a *huge* amount of Armour! Have you been diagnosed with
a thyroid resistance syndrome? Has anyone given you any reason why you
might need such a large dose of thyroid hormones?
K
K
K
K
K
K
--
Best regards,
Bubba mailto:mcsei@...

Re: [hypothyroidism] tests results back

2007-02-28 16:38:47

My tests were "normal", then I went to see a doctor in New York who gave
me a TRH test. I scored 40 on this test, which means that I have
primary hypothyroidism. I am now on 6 grains of Armour Thyroid daily,
and I am thinking of moving to 7. My basal temperature is still
slightly low.
If you take your basal temperature and it is below 97.8, you are most
likely hypothyroid.
Read Hypothyroidism by Broda Barnes for more information.
Katrina.

tests results back

2007-02-28 08:32:06

My tests results are normal.
T3 free 2.4 (normal is 2.4 - 4.5)
Thyroxine, free, 0.87 (normal 0.75 - 2.00)
Antithyriod antibodies <30 (normal <60)
Anti-thyrglobulin abs 75 (in the equivocal range 60 -100)
TSH, 3rd generation 3.112 (normale 0.300 - 5.700
I don' know where the T4 is tho?
He is putting me one 1mg of Thyrolar. Isn't that low? The regular dose
is 30 - 50 right? Oh well.
I am seeing about a blood test to check for allergies and eliminate
whatever I need to.
I don't know if I should be happy or bummed, because I feel worse every
day. NOw I am thinking it may just be depression. Has anyones been in
these ranges and received relief?
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

Re: [hypothyroidism] Taking thyrodine

2007-02-28 01:59:27

HI,
I am glad you are feeling better. Did you, by chance follow Earl
Conley's protocal regarding the diet change, etc.?
I heard that the aller max (by country life) is good for bladder
problems and am looking into that also. Thanks
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

Taking thyrodine

2007-02-27 21:27:41

Hi, I am new to this board but I just wanted to say that I have been
taking thyrodine and needing less and less levoxyl. I also take the
progestspray since my progesterone levels are very low and my adrenal
hormones are low. Everything seems to be working. I used the
Immunogard last month and got rid of my candida. I must still be low
in something because my allergies (hayfever) started up yesterday. So
I got Aller-Max at the health food store today and it actually seems
to be helping already. Yeah! I am glad there is a positive and open
minded place for people with thyroid disease to post. Thanks

Re: [hypothyroidism] Earl/IC

2007-02-27 16:16:20

Hi,
A friend of mine has this problem, she thinks she might have found a
solution. Here is an extract from one of her e-mails:

Earl/IC

2007-02-27 14:37:13

Earl,
I have Interstitial Cystitis and I can't remember if it is an
autoimmune disease (probably is) and wonder what you would take/do for
that. I have had an intestinal cleanse, liver/gallbladder cleanse,
kidney/bladder cleanse, mercury detox, no antibiotics taken for about 10
years, no meat, fish, chicken, milk in diet. Take vitamins/minerals.
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

RE: [hypothyroidism] Iodine/FYI

2007-02-27 08:35:07

Dear Renee and Jerry:
You are finding some good data...at last.
Yes, auto-immune problems are what cause most thyroid disorders...thats what
the Thyroid Regeneration protocol is all about.
Iodine is not dangerous and kelp has almost never been a problem.
However, taking iodine or kelp with an auto-immune condition will not help
as the auto-immunity needs to be addressed. And what is an auto immune
disorder???
An auto-immune disorder happens when a pathogen...herpes, candida, the
fluke, chlamydia, EBV, CMV, clostridium settles in thyroid tissues and
causes replication of the virus or destruction of tissues. The immune system
recognizes these foreign tissues and makes antibodies to destroy the
infected tissues....auto-immune disorder!!
For this orthodoxy in its wisdom, gives one cytomel or RAI or surgery. never
is the auto-immune aspect addressed. If one has RAI or surgery...thats it
for the rest of one's life. Then one is on synthetics or pig forever.
If however, a "doctor" would simply ask the question...why is there a
hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism, they could possibly come up with the
auto-immune disorder and treat the infection. Of course orthodoxy has no
effective remedy for viruses or candida and antibiotics against bacteria
wipe out all your normal intestinal bacteria and introduce candida.
Now, if one has an auto-immune problem, and most everyone does, then the
sane way of addressing this problem is to...
1-eliminate the offending pathogen [or heavy metal [amalgam]or
fluoride/chlorine or drugs or detergent or soy product]
2-clear the gut of toxic debris and killed pathogens
3-introduce the correct intestinal bacteria
4-introduce the strategic nutrients the thyroid needs to make T4 and convert
whatever is necessary to T3 [Thyrodine]
This is the Thyroid Regeneration protocol.
To mess with drugs, cytomel, Rai, surgery, iodine, synthetic T4 and T3 is
avoiding the problem.
Even Mary Shomon, as knowledgeable as she is, has not tweaked onto this
simple and effective method for totally restoring thyroid function.
There is more data at www.thyrodine.com
Earl

RE: [hypothyroidism] Hashimotos

2007-02-26 23:15:10

Dear Renee and Jerry:
Hashimotos is simply another autoimmune dysfunction. The reason the immune
system attacks its own tissues...I just explained.
Putting a name on something does not make it esoteric.
Just follow the reasoning I've been outlining and you'll have most of the
reasons [and solutions] to most thyroid problems.
Earl

Iodine/FYI

2007-02-26 14:14:10

Thyroid Drug Information Database
by Mary Shomon
Q. What About Iodine and Kelp Supplements?
While some herbalists and vitamin proponents recommend iodine tablets or
kelp supplements (which are high in iodine) for people with thyroid
problems, you need to be extremely careful about any decision to take
iodine or kelp supplements if you are on thyroid hormone replacement
therapy.
The thinking behind taking iodine or kelp is that in many parts of the
world, goiters and thyroid disease are related to iodine deficiency. In
the U.S. and other developed countries, iodine deficiency is not very
common anymore, due to the addition of iodine to salt -- iodized salt --
and other food products. In fact, the most common forms of thyroid
disease found in the U.S. -- autoimmune thyroid diseases like Graves'
Disease or Hashimoto's Thyroiditis -- have nothing to do with iodine
deficiency at all. Actually, thyroids are extremely sensitive to iodine,
and you need to be careful about adding too much iodine to the diet as
it can irritate or aggravate the thyroid. Most doctors say not to worry
about some iodized salt, or the iodine present in a food item such as an
occasional sushi dinner. But even many prominent alternative doctors
such as Andrew Weil and Stephen Langer advise against taking iodine or
kelp supplements for people with autoimmune problems.
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

RE: [hypothyroidism] Cytomel

2007-02-26 12:05:37

Dear Renee and Jerry:
Cytomel is a drug that inhibits production of thyroid hormone. Like all
drugs it has side effrects. Thyroid glands do not need inhibitory drugs.
Thyroids need to have the invading pathogens like herpes, candida, EBV,
chlamydia eliminated to end the auto immune problem. Then with gut detox and
re-implantation with the correct intestinal bacteria and the raw materials
needed for thyroid function [Thyrodine] the thyroid will have its full
function restored.
Drugs always suppress symptoms. They never address the cause of the problem.
Earl

Opinions ?

2007-02-26 02:18:34

Hi!
I'm Antonio and i'm 21 and i'm a boy. I live in Portugal so, sorry me
english but i only have english on elementary school...
About two weeks ago, i did some blood tests and this is the results:
Free T3 : 2.8 ng/L ( 1.4 to 4.4 )
Free T4 : 1.4 ng/dL (0.8 to 2.5 )
Total T3 : 1.1 ug/L ( 0.8 to 1.9 )
Total T4 : 7.7 ug/dL (4.5 to 14.0 )
TSH : 2.00 mUI/L ( 0.2 to 5.0 )
I've also checked for some imunology antibodies :
AAT ( i think it's Anti-Thyroid ) : 83.20 IU/ml ( max 100 )
TPO ( i think it's Anti-Microssoms ) : 957.0 IU/ml ( max
40 )
ANA-IF ( I think it's Anti-Nucleal ) : negative
Well, i think we can all see that i have hashimoto's, right ? I was
diagnosed hypo when i was 6 and since then i'm taking Letter ( don't
know if you know it but i think it's like synthroid ) and i was
taking 2 pills, which believe me, it's a lot. The truth now is that i
don't take the medicine for two weeks ( my cousin is a physician and
told me to don't take... ) and now and i feel a LOT LOT better...no
tiredness, no sleepy( well, only at night, right ), no intolerance to
cold, and i feel i have all the energy in the world. I don't quite
understant this because i always have some symphtoms of hypo and some
other sympthoms of hyper.
I don't really now what's going on but i have an apoitment with my
endo in the 15 and next week i'll go to the imunologist o check the
antobodies.
Can you give me your opinion about all this ?
Regards,
Antonio

Hashimotos

2007-02-25 23:42:20

What is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis?
_____Hashimoto's thyroiditis, also called chronic thyroiditis, is named
for the Japanese doctor who discovered it. It affects about 5% of the
adult population, increasing particularly in women as they age.
Hashimoto's, the most common form of thyroiditis, is the leading cause
of hypothyroidism.
_____Hashimoto's thyroiditis results from problems with the body's
immune system. Normally, the immune system defends against germs and
viruses, but in diseases such as Hashimoto's, the immune system attacks
the body's own tissues. In patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, the
immune system produce antithyroid antibodies, which damage the gland and
keep it from producing enough hormones.
_____Diseases of the immune system tend to run in families and are about
five times more common in women than in men. Hashimoto's is linked to
other autoimmune conditions, such as Graves' disease, premature gray
hair, diabetes mellitus, arthritis and patchy loss of pigment of the
skin (vitiligo).
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

FYI

2007-02-25 19:08:58

Some info. even tho most of you probably know it. Got from about.com
website.
Where is the Thyroid and What Does it Do?
Your thyroid is a small bowtie or butterfly-shaped gland, located in
your neck, wrapped around the windpipe, and is located below the Adam's
Apple area. The thyroid produces several hormones, of which two are key:
triiodothyronine (T3) and thyroxine (T4).
The thyroid has cells that are the only cells in the body's capable of
absorbing iodine. The thyroid takes in the iodine, obtained through
food, iodized salt, or supplements, and combines that iodine with the
amino acid tyrosine. The thyroid then converts the iodine/tyrosine
combination into the hormones T3 and T4. The "3" and the "4" refer to
the number of iodine molecules in each thyroid hormone molecule.
When it's in good condition, of all the hormone produced by your
thyroid, 80% will be T4 and 20% T3. T3 is considered the biologically
more active hormone -- the one that actually functions at the cellular
level -- and is also considered several times stronger than T4.
Once released by the thyroid, the T3 and T4 travel through the
bloodstream. The purpose is to help cells convert oxygen and calories
into energy.
As mentioned, the thyroid produces some T3. But the rest of the T3
needed by the body is actually formed from the mostly inactive T4 by a
process sometimes referred to as "T4 to T3 conversion." This conversion
of T4 to T3 can take place in some organs other than the thyroid,
including the hypothalamus, a part of your brain.
The thyroid is part of a huge feedback process. The hypothalamus in the
brain releases something called Thyrotropin-releasing Hormone (TRH). The
release of TRH tells the pituitary gland to release something called
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH). This TSH, circulating in your
bloodstream, is what tells the thyroid to make thyroid hormones and
release them into your bloodstream.
Causes of Thyroid Disease
What causes thyroid problems? Besides the treatments mentioned above,
there are other factors that can contribute to the development of
various thyroid problems:
Exposure to radiation, such as occurred after the Chernobyl nuclear
plant accident
Overconsumption of isoflavone-intensive soy products, such as soy
protein, soy capsules, soy powders
Some drugs, such as lithium and the heart drug cordarone, can cause
hypothyroidism.
An overconsumption or shortage of iodine in the diet can also trigger
some thyroid problems. (This also applies to iodine-containing
supplements, such as kelp and bladderwrack.)
Radiation treatment to my head, neck or chest. Radiation treatment for
tonsils, adenoids, lymph nodes, thymus gland problems, or acne
"Nasal Radium Therapy," which took place during the 1940s through 1960s,
as a treatment for tonsillitis, colds and other ailments, or as a
military submariner and/or pilot who had trouble with drastic changes in
pressure
Overconsumption of uncooked "goitrogenic" foods, such as brussels
sprouts, broccoli, rutabaga, turnips, kohlrabi, radishes, cauliflower,
African cassava, millet, babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in
Brazil and Africa), cabbage and kale
You have a higher risk of developing thyroid disease if:
You have a family member with a thyroid problem
You have another pituitary or endocrine disease
You or a family member have another autoimmune disease
You've been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
You've been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia
You're female
You're over 60
You've just had a baby
You're near menopause or menopausal
You're a smoker
You've been exposed to radiation
You've been treated with lithium
You eat too much soy foods
You've been exposed to certain chemicals (i.e., perchlorate, fluoride
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

PS/drs. visit

2007-02-25 13:40:35

Forgot to say that if the antibodies are low at the time of blood draw,
it won't show on the blood test
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

Re: [hypothyroidism] Thyrolar

2007-02-24 21:26:51

Hello Renee and Jerry:
Yes I take Thyrolar and it does work. I'm taking a combination of
Synthroid in the morning and Thyrolar-1 at night. I have definitely felt
an improvement since taking this combination. This combination has also
assisted in helping me lose weight. Ann

drs. visit

2007-02-24 21:18:31

Hi everyone. Just came home from drs. Don't quote me, bec. I can't
understand or remember everything. He said that the most common type of
thyroid problem in this country is Hashimotos disease. It is an
autoimmune disease and the body turns against itself creating antibodies
that attack the thyroid gland. The one of the problems is that the
anitbodies can be elevated and then level off at different times. That
is MAYBE why my thyroid keeps fluctuating between 4.5 and 9. The second
most common type of hypothyroid is usually not common in the US, but in
third world countries where there is a lack of iodine in the diet. He
said that is why iodine or kelp supplements shouldnt be taken until you
know which you have, because it can help, but also cause more problems
if you don't need it. He was openminded to Armour and thyrolar. He said
that my simptoms are also the same for depression and other diseases so
it is hard sometimes to confirm. He said that is my lab tests come back
in the high normal range and I have hasimotos, he will put me on meds.
He said its trial and error. Said if I dont improve after the trieal and
error, that something else is going on. Took 3 vials of blood and many
tests over and above the tsh, t3 and t4. He said I dont' have adrenal
problems by my symptoms. Well, just an update and will know more in 2
weeks but in reality more like several months, ;)
If I am off with my info. please correct me. I am sure all drs. are
different.
Thanks and take care.
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Reneé and Jerry

Thyrolar

2007-02-24 14:48:10

Has anyone had any experience with this med? Supposed to be vegetarian
and has T3 and T4 in it. Thanks
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Renee and Jerry

Re: hypothyroidism

2007-02-24 07:21:00

Hi Laurie! Boy do I know how to sympathize with you. I have no
insurance either, but found a nurse practitioner in our town that
will let you pay it out by the month. Only problem is I wonder if
she knows anything about the thyroid.
I don't know if anyone here remembers me or not. I would post here
the end of 2000 and the beginning of this year. I figured out on my
own (back in September) that I had hypothyroidism. The NP confirmed
it. Of course, they only draw the blood and then send it to a lab
for the actual tests.
She put me on Levoxyl, and like you, the first few weeks were great.
Then it started going down hill. Three months later they do blood
work again and fine it has gone the opposite and I was then
hyperthyroid. So she takes me off all meds and makes me come back
two weeks later for more blood work. Everything was normal then so
she tells me I'm fine and that I don't have to take meds anymore.
I have slowly started developing the symptoms all over again. I took
my son to see her last week and was telling her how tired I am and
she looks in my chart and says "well, you were supposed to come back
last month for more blood work." Believe me, if I had been told this
I would have definately remembered that. Now I go back tomorrow for
the blood work and just hope she gets it right.
I would change Drs. but there's just no one else that will let you
pay it out. I'll have to do a lot of research and take papers with
me to say "well look, this says I should ......" She'll go along with
whatever I tell her I'm sure. I just need to know what to tell her.
Good luck in finding someone to help you!
kathy (hypomom)

RE: [hypothyroidism] mercury detox

2007-02-24 02:16:51

To All:
Cilantro works really well to pull heavy metals from the body.
However, if one has amalgam fillings which dump methyl mercury into the
blood every time one chews food, then once a year is not practical. The
cilantro needs to be taken for as long as the heavy metal is present.
Earl

mercury detox

2007-02-24 00:55:08

This is what I made and took:
It appears to work for other metals also. Alpha lipoic
acid can also be considered for mercury and other heavy metals
chelation.
This is from an article found in the newsletter "Alternative"
dated June, 1998. A Dr. Yoshiaki Omura discovered
almost by accident that the leaves of the coriander plant can
accelerate the excretion of mercury, lead and aluminum from the
body. He performed a study in which three amalgam fillings were
removed from an individual using all the precautions available to
prevent absorption of the mercury from the amalgam. Significant
amounts were later found in the individual's lungs, kidneys,
endocrine organs, liver and heart. There was no mercury in these
tissues prior to the amalgam removal.
Remarkably, without the help of any chelation agents, cilantro
was able to remove the mercury in two to three weeks. (Acupunct
Electrother Res 96;21(2):133-60)
Recipe for Cilantro Pesto (Make that "Chelation Pesto")
1 Clove garlic
1/2 cup almonds, cashews, or other nuts
1 cup packed fresh cilantro leaves
2 tablespoons lemon juice
6 tablespoons olive oil
Put the cilantro and olive oil in blender and process until the
cilantro is chopped. Add the rest of the ingredients and process
to a lumpy paste. (You may need to add a touch of hot water and
scrape the sides of the blender.) You can change the consistency
by altering the amount of olive oil and lemon juice, but keep the
3:1 ratio of oil to juice. (It freezes well, so you can make
several batches at once.
He recommends a couple of teaspoons a day for two to three weeks
once or twice a year.

Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Renee and Jerry

Re: [hypothyroidism] hypothyroidism

2007-02-23 13:00:45

Laurie,
Maybe you aren't on a high enough dose. There is animal glands, etc in
the Armour, so maybe you are allergic to something in it??
It is hard to have to pay out of pocket and not fair. Good luck on your
tests and let us know how it goes, k?
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Renee and Jerry

Re: [hypothyroidism] temp ??

2007-02-23 09:50:44

I so not understand much about it, but you are supposed to take your
temp. starting the day of monthy for two weeks. If it is below 97.8 you
may be hypothyroid. I guess it's a accurate test, but like I say, I
just read it from another list. Hope that helps a little.
Happy Springtime!!
Love,
Renee and Jerry

hypothyroidism

2007-02-23 00:35:38

Hi, my name is Laurie, I've been on Armour since Nov. of
2000, At the beginning I felt tons better, One thing was no
longer being cold when everyone else was fine. I could take
a hot shower and it felt good not making me dizzy & weak
like it had before, due to the quick rise in body temp. I
take 2 grains a day morn. and afternoon. after the first 8
weeks all the symptoms started coming back, except the
extreme cold feeling. The doctor wants me to come in for a
blood test to check levels, I have no ins. and she wants
$128.00 for the test and lab work, so I'm checking into the
community health center for the test since I only have one
refill left. I think it needs to be adjusted because some of
the symptoms are coming back. I'm following Eat Right 4 Your
Type, and I'm hoping I will be able to get off them
completely or take something all natural.
Laurie

temp ??

2007-02-22 22:36:55

Could someone please tell me about taking your temp and how it is used to
help with your thyroid problems?
Donna Jean,
Donna Faucheaux
MrsFau@...

Re: HI

2007-02-22 16:26:50

Hi Renee,
Have you done any liver cleansing? Have you done chelation? What
supplements are you taking? Are you getting any seavegatables in your
diet?
I was on synthroid a couple of years ago, and went off of it (now a
year) because I didn't like the idea of taking a drug for the rest of
my life! :( I realized that taking the drug was only a bandage and if
I really wanted to get to the root of the problem, I was going to
have to take responsibility for my own health.

Re: [hypothyroidism] HI

2007-02-22 12:36:43

Why would they take Synthyroid off the market??? You have to get on it again
my Dear woman.... I had a problem with levels and oh my! It was horrible!!!!!
I can tell you from first hand experiannce its better to be on meds than
off!!!! Good luck to you and may you feel better soon!!!
Sincerely,
Deb

HI

2007-02-22 03:57:59

Hi,
I have hypotyroid several years ago, as put on synthroid. I took myself off a
few years after that. I now have gained 40 pounds, and very exhaused, can't
sleep, feet or hands cold often, dry, falling out hair, depressed,etc.
I made an appt. with a endocrinologist for next week, and I am sure the lab
tests will come back normal like always these last several years since off the
meds. I hear now, that the lab tests aren't always accurate. I am going to do
the temp. test if he wants me to. I have done a murcury detox, but still have
the same symptoms. If he wants me on meds, I don't like the idea of synthroid
bec. they are supposedly going to take off market i hear. Also, with the
Armour, it has animal parts in it, and goes against my beliefs.
I was told that plain kelp is not the answer also.
And, is there another med. with T3 and T4 in it? I was told that is good bec.
sometimes you can't tell if the body is converting the proper T4 ot T3.
Well, I bet I got you all confused, but I want to be armed when going to drs.
Thank you so much,
Renee

Re: [hypothyroidism] Digest Number 386

2007-02-21 19:21:09

I work with people who have thyroid problems. May I suggest that you ask
your doctor if you might take Armour instead . It is a natural hormone.
Before you do anything it is important to know what the thyroid is, what
it does, and why yours is malfunctioning. I suggest that you go to
about.com register and join the thyroid group of Mary Shomon. you will
find a wealth of information.
It is your responsibility to investigate. There are herbs and
supplements that can be helpful, including life style changes. You need
to ask yourself if you want to get your immune system back in working
order and function, or if you are just looking for medicating the
problem indefinetly.

Re: [hypothyroidism] New to the list

2007-02-21 14:17:35

so nice to meet you Maria...I am from Canada

hi Im new

2007-02-21 10:59:20

Hi everyone
My name is Alison, and this is all very new to me.
I have a huge fear of doctors and would not have been in the docotrs
office Monday if I had not thought I had broken something in my
wrist, plus I wanted a referal for a gongolion cyst.
Well, I did not break anything, I injured a tendon, and I did not
have a cyst, I have fluid build up from arthritis.
In talking to the doctor, who I really liked, I mentioned I had
gained close to 45 pounds this winter and nothing in my eating habits
have changed. I told him I needed a nap daily, I took
antidepressants, and thought I was starting menapause by my irregular
periods. Im 38. He ordered blood work and called the next day to say
that my thyroid was not working and I was to start on Synthroid. A
low dose which would probably need to be increased in 6 weeks. Ive
gone to a website and looked at the symtoms, and I meet everyone of
them almost except for the dry hair (but my hair has been thinnning)
So since I know nothing about hypothyroidism I am here with questions
What can cause thyroids to stop working? Should I ask doctor to look
into it?
Should I be worried?
Will I lose the sudden weight Ive gained?
Does this effect teeth? Ive just lost my 3rd filling.
Is there anything I need to do different than my normal routines?
thanks in advance for your help
Alison

fillings (was Hi! Debbie here!)

2007-02-21 01:38:54

greetings~
hey, i've gotten one estimate from a dentist for removing all 16 of
my amalgam fillings with heavy metal free composites (some composites
have heavy metals in them, apparently), and he's affiliated with life
extension doctors here in this city, but gosh he's so expensive! i
am going to contact hal huggins and see if there are others in my
area that aren't so darned expensive. when i say expensive i mean
having my whole mouth done for 7-8 grand. that's just too steep.
wild and free,
magg

Re: The liver

2007-02-20 16:18:06

Dr Jonn Matsen takes you step by step in his entertaining
book "Eating Alive-Prevention Thru Good Digestion". This book is also
highly recommended by the list owner. He mentions this book in his
introduction on his "Kidney Cleanse" list.
BOOK DESCRIPTION:
"An adventurous journey through the digestive system to FIND THE
MYSTERIOUS CAUSE OF DISEASE."
"Why was I not sick and now I am? These are questions that patients
often ask and doctors often don't have the answer. The reply is
commonly to treat the patient as if they had a drug deficiency or an
organ surplus. While drugs and surgery may deal with the results of
disease they still don't answer WHY?
Eating Alive will take you on an adventurous journey through the
digestive system in search of the mysterious cause of disease.
Hundreds of original cartoon illustrations will show you that disease
is a result of inefficient digestion due to nutritional and/or
emotional stress.
More importantly there are simple tips which have helped hundreds of
people reverse chronic disease that you can easily adopt. Also
included is a Three Stage Menu Plan and one hundred and forty recipes
to help you achieve your health optimum and prevent disease. Eating
Alive can help your digestion which will help you feel better, think
clearer and look great."

do that?

The liver

2007-02-20 10:08:40

THE LIVER AS METABOLIC DIRECTOR
"Doctor, I'm so tired". That is the complaint a naturopathic
physician hears most frequently. Fatigue is very common.
If we look at the liver as being the powerhouse, we will realize that
we can only throw sand in it for only so long before the energy
output decreases. While there are many causes of fatigue, the factor
that leads to improved energy the quickest and most reliably is
improved liver function. Decreasing the intestinal-toxin load on the
liver usually allows it to quickly spring back to life, with a
resultant increase in energy.
The metabolic rate has long been known to be regulated by the
hormones from the thyroid gland, and synthetic thyroid hormone is
commonly used to replace that not produced by a sluggish thyroid.
Some popular books would have you believe that half the the
population have a genetically weak thyroid that requires us to take
synthetic thyroid hormone the rest of our lives. However, since the
liver is the main regulator of the blood, it is the true key to
proper metabolic rate. A sluggish thyroid is often secondary to a
long-term sluggish liver. The trick to improving the thyroid
permanently is to first improve the liver. To do that, improve
digestion."
From "Eating Alive" by Dr Jonn Matsen N.D.

Re: [hypothyroidism] The liver

2007-02-20 10:02:28

In a message dated 3/6/01 10:06:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ddm_rhn@... writes:
<< The trick to improving the thyroid permanently is to first improve the
liver. To do that, improve digestion."
sounds good, where can I get more specific information about how to do that?

Re: Herbs summary thank you prtha/diregard message 1393

2007-02-20 01:06:25

please excuse my writing i just got off a 18 hour shift at workthank
you

Re: [hypothyroidism] Digest Number 376

2007-02-19 23:51:06

I did not realize how many typos and repeats and mistakes I had! Well, I must
let you know this was just from my notes and I had no time to get it cleaned up
for this elist, wanted to send it in and days were going by, so I just took the
chance and sent it. Anyway, hope it helps someone. :)
Prtha

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Re: Herbs summary thank you prtha

2007-02-19 11:20:50

--thank you prtha that info was really ointerestin i have
hpothyroidism and i find it interesting since i do alot of cooking
and i use alot of herbs instead of alst for my food if no one else
will tell you the info for very informative thank you again and have

little of it only, and before I go on further I wish to claim a
disclaimer. :) Besides, not all of it works for everyone.
may reduce thyroid activity. Theyme oil-found in mouthwashes and
decondgestants and usec by some to treat tiredness, depression,
digestin proglems and muscle aches and pains - can also cause nausea,
vomiting, and cardiac and respiratory problems when used in large
amounts." .....The Thyroid Solution, Ridha Armen, M.D. pg 304 (Also
see, "Physicians Guide to Herbs" M.D. Edden & M.s. Torre)
level. (Email if you want it as it is too long to put here.) So
anyone with hypot should avoid lemon balm regardless of its antiviral
activity.
into this information from a very reliable source (Rodale Books - I
bought this book, hard copy, only to bump into it online! Its a
great book and you can get it for free via their link. I will put it
at the bottom.):
great book and you can get it for free via their link. I will put it
at the bottom.
disease, but I do not recall where. For me, I just dont buy it.
(Eventually I will research this and give the proof.)
think we are doing something healthy (myself included) by adding
soy/tofu to our diet. It has been found to raise the tsh unless it is
taken in the formented form of miso or temphe, and even then, the
experts don't agree. I just avoid the stuff all together, except
maybe on holidays. RED CLOVER also has isoflavanoids, the culprit in
soy, so that IS an herb and one to be avoided.
forgo Ma haung because it can increase metabolic rate and, after four
weeks of use, alter the conversion of T4 to T3." Pg 344
do have similar effects. It is in Marys book which follows: "Guggul
is considered particularly important for prevention of a sluggish
metabolism and studies have shown that Z-guggulsterone has the
ability to increase the thyroids ability to take up the enzymes it
needs for effective hormone conversion ." Living Well With
Hypothyroidism, Mary Shomon, Pg 118
Forskohlii works. No other species of Coleus has "forskolin." The
data however came from a large screening of medicinal plants by the
Indian Govt. in 1974.
the enzyme adenylate cyclase which increases cyclic adenosine
monophosphate (cAMP) in cells. There are many conditions where a
decreases cAMP level is a major factor in development of thedisease
process. That means (long story made short) forskolin may be well
indicated in conditions such as eczema (atopic dermatitis), asthma,
psoriasis, angina and high blood pressure. It also seems to reduce
intraocular pressure in glaucoma when applied directly to eyes.
They felt it may prove to be useful for weight loss, hypothyroidism,
digestive disorders, depression, prevention
calm our body's antibody level with herbs and diet rid ourselves of
allergies, unsuspected viruses or parasites, Candida, etc. Detox
liver, intenstines, etc. After THAT, as we rebuild, we can SLOWLY add
coleus or other thyroid stiumlating herbs to our regime. This is just
my humble opion.
Lepidium Peruvianum Chacon), was accidentally discovered by a doctor
giving it to women for reasons other than hypot, such as PMS or
menopause. For that matter she did not know that most of them had
hypot. Later some of her patients came to her and gave her their
thyroid meds back, saying they no longer needed them due to the Maca
(via healing of the thyroid), other women were able to reduce their
meds, while it did not help some at all. I take it. It was ok but did
not do anything drastic for me. I suspect that none of these will
unless one does a full detox, rebuild, regeneration program along
with them. Then I think at least one should be added, at least for me.
progesterone hormone therapy. Some suspect menopause or perimenopause
(and therefore estrogen overload) to be a contributing factor toward
the development and continuance of hypothyroidism. Vitex acts to
normalizer or as a balancer of the hormones through the pituitary
gland, thus correcting the difficulty at its *source* (the
pituitary). It is suspected that vitex stimulates the production of
progesterone via the anterior lobe of the pituitary, inducing
leutinization. One way or the other, this herb works as a hormone
ingested for a month before it works, and continued for 3 months or
more for its full effect (so be patient and persistent) but has long
term effects more than immediate relief. A simple blood test can
determine if your estrogen productin is too high.
sarsaparilla which is progestrogenic, or yarrow. This too is
progestrogenic but has a harsh taste and is hard on the stomach. I
prefer the taste of sarasparilla and my sensitive stomach appreciates
something gentle. Sarsaparilla is healing to the liver, and those of
us with hypothyroidism need all the help with the liver we can get.
However, it is not recommended to use these herbs in order to
eliminate Vitex. The Vitex is worth waiting for! So I make a combo
where I can benefit from immediate effects of other herbs as well as
long term effects of Vitex. I throw in a little Burdock root because
of its ability to help release protein from the pituitary, it is good
at reducing acid in the body, high in minerals, promotes kidney
function and is a hormone balancer. Generally one cup a day of this
combo is all that is needed. Two if one wants. If a person has GERD,
IBS or just a sensitive stomach, some camommile can be added to this.
If that does not do it, you may have to give up the vitex and
especially the yarrow, though sarsaparilla is a gentle herb. Since it
is also testostrogenic, I add an herbal hormone balancer to it (other
herbs all ready mentioned, and not mentioned. -- Don't worry, it wont
turn women into men anymore than estrogenic foods such as green leafy
vegetables don't turn men into women. It only gives the body what it
needs. Men all ready have estrogen in their body and women all ready
have testosterone in their body by nature. Its all about balance.)
done and in no way does it apply to everyone nor does it cover every
angle of the herb. You may have a condition makes it unwise to use
these herbs. In no way is there any magic bullet out there to fix us
but a combination of the right things for each individual is often
what is needed. Speak with your medical practitioner first.
http://www.healthcentral.com/peoplespharmacy/pp_herblibrary/pp_herblib
rary.cfm

Earl? Where are you?

2007-02-19 08:27:39

Earl,
I wrote you a private letter a few days ago and still have not heard from you. I
really need that information and product, so could you please get back to me?
Thanks.
Prtha
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Re: Western meets Eastern medicine

2007-02-19 05:26:55

Hi there...I am just wondering if anyone on this list has done any
flushes or cleanses for kidney and gallstones...I met Julia Chang
today, and stocked up on gold coin grass in tea and tinture form. :)

Western meets Eastern medicine

2007-02-18 17:49:29

Just thought I'ld pass on an interesting link! :)
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

Herbs to avoid/take with Hypothyroidism

2007-02-18 12:28:10

HERBS TO AVOID & TAKE FOR HYPOT
This is just some research I have done over the past three years, a little of it
only, and before I go on further I wish to claim a disclaimer. :) Besides, not
all of it works for everyone.
**********************
"...the popular culinary herb thyme contains an essential ol that may reduce
thyroid activity. Theyme oil-found in mouthwashes and decondgestants and usec by
some to treat tiredness, depression, digestin proglems and muscle aches and
pains - can also cause nausea, vomiting, and cardiac and respiratory problems
when used in large amounts." .....The Thyroid Solution, Ridha Armen, M.D. pg 304
(Also see, "Physicians Guide to Herbs" M.D. Edden & M.s. Torre)
I also found info on medscape that lemon balm increases the tsh level. (Email if
you want it as it is too long to put here.) So anyone with hypot should avoid
lemon balm regardless of its antiviral activity.
I use to take licorice root to help with adrenals, but than ran into this
information from a very reliable source (Rodale Books - I bought this book, hard
copy, only to bump into it online! Its a great book and you can get it for free
via their link. I will put it at the bottom.):
"Licorice can reduce thyroid gland activity and lower the basal metabolic rate."
The Peoples Pharmacy, pg 342
I bought this book, hard copy, only to bump into it online! Its a great book
and you can get it for free via their link. I will put it at the bottom.
I read that Echinacea is a negative for anyone with an autoimmune disease, but I
do not recall where. For me, I just dont buy it. (Eventually I will research
this and give the proof.)
Soy isn't an herb but I'm going to throw it in here cuz lots of us think we are
doing something healthy (myself included) by adding soy/tofu to our diet. It has
been found to raise the tsh unless it is taken in the formented form of miso or
temphe, and even then, the experts don't agree. I just avoid the stuff all
together, except maybe on holidays. RED CLOVER also has isoflavanoids, the
culprit in soy, so that IS an herb and one to be avoided.
HERBS THAT MAY HELP THE THYROID
I don't advocte or discourage MaHaung -- am just reporting the facts. Here is
what the same book has to say about it:
"People with Graves disease or other hyperthyroid conditions should forgo Ma
haung because it can increase metabolic rate and, after four weeks of use, alter
the conversion of T4 to T3." Pg 344
A safer alternative, I think, is the Guggul (Myrrh) which seems to do have
similar effects. It is in Marys book which follows: "Guggul is considered
particularly important for prevention of a sluggish metabolism and studies have
shown that Z-guggulsterone has the ability to increase the thyroids ability to
take up the enzymes it needs for effective hormone conversion ." Living Well
With Hypothyroidism, Mary Shomon, Pg 118
Coleus Forskholii - I recieved this in my email once. Its inportant medical info
on this herb.
and an aCOLEUS article in Health Counselor Magazine, only Coleus Forskohlii
works. No other species of Coleus has "forskolin." The data however came from
a large screening of medicinal plants by the Indian Govt. in 1974.
READ THE STUDIES: This is a liberal excerpt.
The active ingredient (forskolin) works apparently by activating the enzyme
adenylate cyclase which increases cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) in
cells. There are many conditions where a decreases cAMP level is a major factor
in development of thedisease process. That means (long story made short)
forskolin may be well indicated in conditions such as eczema (atopic
dermatitis), asthma, psoriasis, angina and high blood pressure. It also seems
to reduce intraocular pressure in glaucoma when applied directly to eyes.
They felt it may prove to be useful for weight loss, hypothyroidism, digestive
disorders, depression, prevention
of cancer metastases and immune system enhancement.
For hypothyroidism, it has been shown to increase thyroid hormone
as well as stimulate thyroid hormone release. <snip
NOTE: While we want to wake our thyroid up, we also have an antibody problem
which means
that our body is viewing itself as the invader and attacking itself. So far it
appears that coleus will
have to be used at appropriate timing. That is, first we need to calm our body's
antibody level with herbs and diet rid ourselves of allergies, unsuspected
viruses or parasites, Candida, etc. Detox liver, intenstines, etc. After THAT,
as we rebuild, we can SLOWLY add coleus or other thyroid stiumlating herbs to
our regime. This is just my humble opion.
See a health care practitioner.
MACA....... A very specific strain of maca and not any type (called Lepidium
Peruvianum Chacon), was accidentally discovered by a doctor giving it to women
for reasons other than hypot, such as PMS or menopause. For that matter she did
not know that most of them had hypot. Later some of her patients came to her
and gave her their thyroid meds back, saying they no longer needed them due to
the Maca (via healing of the thyroid), other women were able to reduce their
meds, while it did not help some at all. I take it. It was ok but did not do
anything drastic for me. I suspect that none of these will unless one does a
full detox, rebuild, regeneration program along with them. Then I think at least
one should be added, at least for me.
Though a little different, I think the following is important too, which is
Vitex berries.
Vitex or Chaste Tree Berries - It has been discovered that for women, estrogen
overload can put wear and tear on their thyroid.
This herb has been successfully used to replace synthetic progesterone hormone
therapy. Some suspect menopause or perimenopause (and therefore estrogen
overload) to be a contributing factor toward the development and continuance of
hypothyroidism. Vitex acts to normalizer or as a balancer of the hormones
through the pituitary gland, thus correcting the difficulty at its *source* (the
pituitary). It is suspected that vitex stimulates the production of progesterone
via the anterior lobe of the pituitary, inducing leutinization. One way or the
other, this herb works as a hormone
balancer and gets a handle on too much estrogen. It usually must be ingested for
a month before it works, and continued for 3 months or more for its full effect
(so be patient and persistent) but has long term effects more than immediate
relief. A simple blood test can determine if your estrogen productin is too
high.
Do yourself a pleasant favor and research this herb.
Since Vitex can take a long time to kick in, one can add to it sarsaparilla
which is progestrogenic, or yarrow. This too is progestrogenic but has a harsh
taste and is hard on the stomach. I prefer the taste of sarasparilla and my
sensitive stomach appreciates something gentle. Sarsaparilla is healing to the
liver, and those of us with hypothyroidism need all the help with the liver we
can get. However, it is not recommended to use these herbs in order to eliminate
Vitex. The Vitex is worth waiting for! So I make a combo where I can benefit
from immediate effects of other herbs as well as long term effects of Vitex. I
throw in a little Burdock root because of its ability to help release protein
from the pituitary, it is good at reducing acid in the body, high in minerals,
promotes kidney function and is a hormone balancer. Generally one cup a day of
this combo is all that is needed. Two if one wants. If a person has GERD, IBS or
just a sensitive stomach, some camommile can be added to this. If that does not
do it, you may have to give up the vitex and especially the yarrow, though
sarsaparilla is a gentle herb. Since it is also testostrogenic, I add an herbal
hormone balancer to it (other herbs all ready mentioned, and not mentioned. --
Don't worry, it wont turn women into men anymore than estrogenic foods such as
green leafy vegetables don't turn men into women. It only gives the body what it
needs. Men all ready have estrogen in their body and women all ready have
testosterone in their body by nature. Its all about balance.)
*****************************
This is all just a brief synopsis of some of the research I have done and in no
way does it apply to everyone nor does it cover every angle of the herb. You may
have a condition makes it unwise to use these herbs. In no way is there any
magic bullet out there to fix us but a combination of the right things for each
individual is often what is needed. Speak with your medical practitioner first.
Thats my two cents. :)
People's Pharmacy Book that I paid for.
http://www.healthcentral.com/peoplespharmacy/pp_herblibrary/pp_herblibrary.cfm
Sincerely,
Prtha
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autoimmune disease/mercury toxicity

2007-02-18 05:44:38

Is Mercury Toxicity an Autoimmune Disorder?
by Keith W. Sehnert, M.D., Gary Jacobson, D.D.S., Kip Sullivan, J.D.

Re: [hypothyroidism] Mailing list

2007-02-18 05:38:07

Please take me from the mailing list.
joke.van.rooijen@... on 13-02-2001 08:28:29

Mailing list

2007-02-17 23:41:26

Considering the amount of mail I am receiving, I feel compelled to ask you to
scrap me from the list.
Good luck and many thanks.
Joke van Rooijen

doctors: third leading cause of deaths

2007-02-17 20:51:54

Have you read this?
http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm
Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000
Deaths Every Year
This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is
the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature
documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.
If you want to keep updated on issues like this click here to sign up for my
free newsletter.
This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit
the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as
it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is
the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.
The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene
and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may
contribute to poor health.
ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 -----unnecessary surgery 8
7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals 9
20,000 ----other errors in hospitals 10
80,000 ----infections in hospitals 10
106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs 2
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!
What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a
patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a
complication of treatment.
Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:
First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative
effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM
report.1
If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would
range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year
constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after
deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are
overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and
the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
Another analysis 11 concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive
patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:
116 million extra physician visits
77 million extra prescriptions
17 million emergency department visits
8 million hospitalizations
3 million long-term admissions
199,000 additional deaths
$77 billion in extra costs
The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but
seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from
more expensive care.
However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of
patients receive inappropriate care.
An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of
medical errors.2
This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13
countries in a recent comparison,3,4 the United States ranks an average of
12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More
specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was:
13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall 14
11th for postneonatal mortality
13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
10th for age-adjusted mortality
The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health
Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States
as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.
There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking,
drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this
assertion.
The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in
Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range
is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third
best).
The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men
aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean
cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13
industrialized countries.
These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent
Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the
deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.
Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the
third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer.
Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low
ranking.
Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the
availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography
scanners per million population. 17
Japan, however, ranks highest on health, whereas the US ranks among the
lowest.
It is possible that the high use of technology in Japan is limited to
diagnostic technology not matched by high rates of treatment, whereas in the
US, high use of diagnostic technology may be linked to more treatment.
Supporting this possibility are data showing that the number of employees
per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United States is highest among the
countries ranked, whereas they are very low in Japan, far lower than can be
accounted for by the common practice of having family members rather than
hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital care.
Journal American Medical Association Vol 284 July 26, 2000
COMMENT: Folks, this is what they call a "Landmark Article". Only several
ones like this are published every year. One of the major reasons it is so
huge as that it is published in JAMA which is the largest and one of the
most respected medical journals in the entire world. I did find it most
curious that the best wire service in the world, Reuter's, did not pick up
this article. I have no idea why they let it slip by.
I would encourage you to bookmark this article and review it several times
so you can use the statistics to counter the arguments of your friends and
relatives who are so enthralled with the traditional medical paradigm. These
statistics prove very clearly that the system is just not working. It is
broken and is in desperate need of repair.
I was previously fond of saying that drugs are the fourth leading cause of
death in this country. However, this article makes it quite clear that the
more powerful number is that doctors are the third leading cause of death in
this country killing nearly a quarter million people a year. The only more
common causes are cancer and heart disease. This statistic is likely to be
seriously underestimated as much of the coding only describes the cause of
organ failure and does not address iatrogenic causes at all.
Japan seems to have benefited from recognizing that technology is wonderful,
but just because you diagnose something with it, one should not be committed
to undergoing treatment in the traditional paradigm. Their health statistics
reflect this aspect of their philosophy as much of their treatment is not
treatment at all, but loving care rendered in the home.
Care, not treatment, is the answer. Drugs, surgery and hospitals are rarely
the answer to chronic health problems. Facilitating the God-given healing
capacity that all of us have is the key. Improving the diet, exercise, and
lifestyle are basic. Effective interventions for the underlying emotional
and spiritual wounding behind most chronic illness are also important clues
to maximizing health and reducing disease.
Related Articles:
Medical Mistakes Kill 100,000 per year
US Health Care System Most Expensive in the World
Drug Induced Disorders
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Author Affiliation: Department of Health Policy and Management, Johns
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Hashimoto's Thyroiditis../jobollm@y

2007-02-17 08:38:21

Couldn't agree with you more Earl. sincerely , Sabra

Alive August 2000 issue/Autoimmune Disorders &amp; Leaky Gut Syndrome

2007-02-17 06:19:07

This talks about autoimmune disorders in general, be it thyroiditis or
arthritis...and it also covers the connection of LEAKY GUT SYNDROME...
Please have a read. :)
AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS
Mary is a 40 yr old woman suffering from fatigue, painful joints, anemia,
dry eyes and carpal tunnel syndrome. Like may other Canadians, she is
puzzled by the wide variety of symptoms that have taken over her body. Mary
has an autoimmune disorder; her immune cells have lost the ability to
identify her own from foreign cells. Think of a war being waged in your
body- all the artillery and soldiers are poised for an assault against
bacteria, viruses and fungi. But your army fights itself instead. These
auto-antibodies think they're protecting their turf. In reality they are
destroying their own organs and inciting inflammatory responses, leading to
wide-spread inflammation throughout your body.
Unhealthy Hints:
A watchful eye should be kept on any ongoing, sub-acute, non-specific
inflammation. This is a strong warning that the immune system is not
functioning optimally.
The immune system is tightly linked to the nervous system; emotional stress
such as a divorce or job dissatisfaction can weaken the body's defences.
When this happens, bacterial, viral or fungal infections may invade and
spread with little opposition. People who are able to handle stress well and
have a positive, happy outlook towards life usually enjoy a robust immune
system. This may also explain the periods of exacerbation and remission that
most people with autoimmine disorders tend to go through.
The precise cause of autoimmune disorders is not clearly understood, but
they are probably the result of chemical pollution. Infection, tissue injury
or emotional trauma may also set off autoimmune reactions in people with a
genetic predisposition to them. Food allergies, poor digestion,
vaccinations, mercury fillings and drugs may also cause subtle changes.
Fevers actually enhance the immune system and help it to defend itself
against infection. Viruses in the body can't resist temperatures above 42C.
It is only when fevers become too high that intervention is required.
Unfortunately, many people tend to take fever-reducing medications like
aspirin at the first sign of a fever, never giving natural immunity a
chance. It is important to keep in mind that aspirin and other powerful
anti-inflammatories may responsible for the feeble immune responses which
can lead to illness.
Allergies and Autoimmunity:
Food allergies have a huge impact on autoimmune diseases. When foods are not
broken down properly, large protein strands cross through the gut wall.
These protein strands are no longer identifiable as food and the body
attacks them as though they were pathogens. As this process continues, a
phenomen called "leaky gut syndrome" develops that contributes to poor
digestion, malabsorption problems and further food allergies. As the
indigestion becomes chronic it puts a further burden on the immune system,
weakening it, which leads to allergy, then autoimmune disease and finally
conditions in which immunity collapses altogether, like cancer or AIDS.
Often autoimmune disorders are treated symptomatically. Removing all
stresses from the immune system is extremely important to keep it
functioning optimally. Basic factors vital to any possible recovery include
eating a clean, whole-organic-food diet devoid of artificial colors,
preservatives, hormones and chemicals; supplementation with digestive
enzymes, stress reduction; removal of allergens; detoxification and changes
in lifestyle.
Herbal Helpers:
Adaptogenic herbs have a major role to play in the treatment and management
of autoimmune disorders. Adaptogenic herbs help the body adapt to stress,
whether this stress is from physical stress, such as illness or intense
fatigue, or mental stresses such as relationship problems or coping with
your illness. Herbs with an adaptogenic action also stimulate the body's
natural defence mechanisms, helping to support and sustain the immune
system. Examples of adaptogenic herbs to be considered for autoimmune
disorders include Siberian genseng (eleutherococcus senticoses), borage
(borago officinalis), gotu cola (hydrocotyle asuatica), licorice
(glycyrrhiza glabra), and sarsaparilla (smilax officinalis).
Licorice and Siberian ginseng are both restorative to the adrenal glands,
which become exhausted from periods of prolonged stress (whether this stress
is physical or psychological). Licorice is also a potent antiviral which
will aid the immune system. It tones the digestive system by regulating
gastic secretions and providing relief to any ulcerations or inflammations.
Deglycyrrhized licorice (DGL) will not complicate hypertension.
Siberian ginseng increases immunity and helps resist attack from viruses,
toxins and even radiation. Licorice and Siberian ginseng can be taken
together in tincture form (1 tsp 3x's daily) or capsules (2 500mg ea 3x's
daily) Some relief is generally noticeable within 3 to 6 weeks, but for
specific herbal advice you should consult a clinical herbal therapist or
naturopath.
General Recommendations:
- Minimize consumption of foods of animal origin.
- Consume foods rich in essential fatty acids (EFAs), such as nuts, seeds,
evening primrose oil and cold water fatty fish. EFA's may help by slowing
stomach emptying; improving digestion; and by building better membranes
around our cells.
- Sugar has an immune-suppressing effect and should be reduced as much as
possible. Many people with autoimmune conditions show improvement after
following an anti-candida diet.
- Exercise helps reduce stress and build a stronger immune system.
- Practice relaxation techniques.
by Rob MacDonald, CH

RE: [hypothyroidism] Thyrodine and chronic illness

2007-02-16 18:17:03

Dear Dolores:
The thousands on the Lyme list are medical cripples.
Viruses or bacteria or yeast cells can hide in DNA or RBC's and escape the
body's surveillance system. However, pulsed magnetic fields go right through
these and can eliminate the virus or bacterium or yeast or parasite.
No bacteria, virus, yeast nor fungus can survive in a tissue that has
adequate oxygen.
This opens up the whole idea of ozone therapy, hydrogen peroxide, etc.
There is always an answer, not medically, but somewhere in the alternative
field.
Pharmaceutical companies con governments into subsidizing their drugs, so
you actually are paying for them fully.
Researchers like myself work quietly for many, many hours a day perfecting
our various protocols.
We produce products that hopefully will return our research costs and give
us additional funds for further equipment and development.
For instance, I'm hoping that our protocols will bring in sufficient profits
that I can acquire a dark field microscope from which I can actually plot
what happens in the blood when one takes various biologicals.
Drugs are a multi-billion dollar industry that kills around 200,000 people a
year in the USA alone.
We alternative researchers and clinicians work with severely limited funds
as our products do not attract 1000's of percent of profit, cannot be
patented nor mass produced.
While we all would like to believe that our local medically trained general
practitioner was well trained in any or all aspects of healing which he/she
was free to use as they saw fit, such is not the reality.
Ed McCabe who tirelessly advocated the use of oxygen therapies which are
incredibly healing, was awarded with a jail cell for his efforts. Anything
that threatens pharmaceutical profits usually ends up with serious threats,
jail or license removal.
Ultimately, each of us must take total responsibility for our own health and
well being.
The net is full of data we can use for our benefit. Yes, its confusing and
contradictory. Here is where each of us must use our intuition and knowledge
to peer through the smoke screens and figure whats best for us.
best wishes,
Earl

Thyrodine and chronic illness

2007-02-16 13:20:17

In a message dated 02/08/2001 9:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
waiorama@... writes:
<< Once you've eliminated your virus and done a lot of detox...
Dear Earl,
I want to thank you for your detailed reply, but I do have to comment on a
few points. You mentioned above that I was talking about a "virus" but in my
earlier post, I told you that Lyme disease is most definitely a "bacterium"
(a spirochete specifically) and I am sure most people in the health field
know that detail.
Also, I can assure you that though different approaches like collidal silver,
zappers, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, herbs, magnets, and the like, have
helped many people to feel better, this illness is a constantly relapsing
one. This organism hides inside the dna of cells and stays there until it is
"safe" to come back out and torment it's host. Believe me, if these protocols
were all-curing and eliminated disease for everyone who tried them, about
1,000 people in my Lyme support circles would be cured instead of
incapacitated. But thank you for offering the suggestions as I know that you
were trying to be helpful to the best of your knowledge.
I do want to try Thyrodine, as I think it truly may be a superior product and
indeed helpful for the body. I do agree with you on the detriments of
pharmacuetical drugs and how they do more damage than good. But it's hard to
tell someone who has 100% medical coverage and doing faily well on a
prescription drug that they suddenly have to find a way to pay hundreds of
dollars out of their own pockets to try an herbal approach that may or may
not work for them. To most people who are suffering and struggling finacially
due to their medicals problems, its not an easy thing to do.
I would jump on the Thyrodine protocol right now if my insurance covered
alternative treatments. Unfortunately, I have to wait until I can afford it.
I often wonder why these treatments are supposed to be miracle cures for all
disease, yet their distrubutors need more money from you than the medical
community does in order to help you get well. It's not you fault, as I know
you are just trying to induce public awareness, it's just something to wonder
about.
Anyway, I will try it, if I am able. It does sound promising, even if it
can't eradicate my illness completely. I would like to see if it can at least
change the way my thyroid has been affected without needed a synthetic
thyroid drug.
Thanks again!
Dolores

dry skin...

2007-02-16 12:44:38

Thank you Jo! I will definitely try what you mentioned to help the dry
patches.
Take care,
Dolores

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis../jobollm@y

2007-02-16 05:18:24

Nobody "hates" doctors or medicines.
What I really dislike is the fact that drugs and medical interventions are
the #1 killer in "civilized countries."
The terrible wake of disabilities, diseases and deaths caused by medically
trained personnel is reported in The New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet
and the Journal of the AMA.
Do you cringe when you read that the Inquisition where over several
centuries the Catholic Church killed [at the stake and in torture dungeons]
some 20 or so million people??
Well, in the last 20 to 30 years the medical professsion has been implicated
in many millions of disabilities, diseases and deaths.
So what does one do, stand by and make excuses for them??
Or does one offer other methods of treatments that are successful and from
which not one single person has been harmed???
Earl

Re: what about chronic illness and thyroid disease?ATTN ARIEELDEE

2007-02-15 16:25:19

-- i can't give you an an answer on the lyme disease but on the very
dry skin try a very thick moiturizer like moisterel or nuetrogena in
a jar not a bottle it is very thick and will stay on your skin
longer. also you can get vitamin e and pat it in the areas that a
real bad. my left foot is the worse if you have this problem put a
very thick coat of moisturiser on your feet then put a pair of scoks
on leave them on all night keep doing this until the dryness is gone.
then keep it up at least twice a week. also make sure you drink lots
of water your skin needs the hydration cut your caffine intake that
causes dehydration which will affect your skin. i know it is
fusrtating because it seems every tiem you take off your clothing or
move there is a little pile of dry skin hang in there there are
people who understand and sympathise with you. don't be discouraged.

Re: [hypothyroidism] what about chronic illness and thyroid disease?

2007-02-15 13:15:49

Hello,
It's been very interesting to learn about the Thyrodine protocol and all of
the prosepctive people who got better using it. But what if you have a
chronic illness or a virus that cannot be eliminated by natural or synthetic
means. I have Lyme disease and despite treatment for many years with
antibiotics as well as herbs and homeopathy, I still have it. It does not
leave the body and there is no known cure to date. It has severely affected
my thyroid and because my blood work isn't showing a positive result for
hypothyroidism, the doctor will not treat me. But believe me I have all the
sympotms. And new symptoms appear every day. Recently my skin has become so
dry, my entire body is peeling all over under my clothes. I feel awful and I
think the worst has been the severe depression. I'm sure many people here can
relate. So where does that leave me? Can Thyrodine still work for me even
though I can never really rid my body of the Lyme spirochete? I understand
the protocol works by first removing the underlying pathogen/s, but bellieve
me, no matter what you say, Lyme disease doesnt just go away not by any
means. So should I still try it anyway? Any information would be greatly
appreciated,
Thank you,
Dolores

RE: [hypothyroidism] Rudeness

2007-02-15 11:24:05

Dear Cindy:
Thank you for expressing your feelings.
What I write here is the result of my experience in treating thyroid
conditions for over 25 years.
Some of the messages I get are so appalling, I find it difficult to believe
that some people are treated so badly by...usually a medical 'adviser.'
The prescribing of RAI or surgery for hyperthyroid is actually criminal.
By eliminating the pathogenic presence that causes the auto-immune
dysfunction and restoring gut function, and then Thyrodine, I have seen in
my clinic and in message from the net, literally hundreds of people who have
restored thyroid function back to normal.
Now this Thyroid regeneration protocol only has to be done once and then
thyroid function should remain normal forever...if no drugs, or adverse
conditions prevail.
We are writing article to go into some major magazines and some professional
journals so I hope there will be greater knowledge of the fact that thyroid
destruction or "replacement" with synthetics or pig is entirely unnecessary.
Earl

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis..TO RUTH WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!reply to rhn

2007-02-15 01:46:55

Dear Cassie:

L-tyrosine is an amino acid that is part of the throid hormone. It is NOT a"natural synthroid"..

Synthroid is a chemical "look alike" of thyroid hormone. It has some of the activity of the thyroid hormone but not all [as no synthetic could]. It also has very serious side effects.

Thyrodine contains tyrosine +taurine+glutamine+ atomidine [a biological form of iodine] + all the 'B' vitamins + all minerals.

These are the raw materials the thyroid requires to synthesize T4 and convert whatever is needed to T3.

However, the literature is indicating that the presence of viruses like Epstein-Barr, cytomegalovirus, herpes and bacteria, Candida, parasites, chlamydia are prevalent in most of the population. These pathogens live in various tissues fed by toxins, like meat, dairy, sugar, junk food, most bread and white flour products and cause tissue changes due to their prolific excretion of endotoxins. Taking of any drugs compromises the immune system and weakens the body defences, while adding more toxins. These compromised tissues are often targeted by the immune system which produces antibodies to destroy the infected tissues.

This process is called an auto-immune dysfunction. If it involves the thyroid it is called Hashimotos or Graves Disease. Destruction of the thyroid gland is the usual medical "therapy!!"

Then when a person has had RAI or surgery they are without thyroid function...forever!!!

The Thyroid Regeneration protocol was developed to eliminate the pathogenic presence that causes the Hashimotos or Graves. It also detoxes the gut and restores normal gut function.

Then Thyrodine will supply the raw materials which the thyroid gland can utilize to make all the T4 it needs and convert however much it requires into T3.

And this process will restore thyroid function....forever [if no further drugs are taken or fluoridated or chlorinated water is drunk or no mercury is present or no radiation or any other destructive event occurs].

Earl

more data on www.thyrodine.com

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis..TO RUTH WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!reply to rhn

2007-02-14 19:48:57

Oh wow! I think I have used that,too.

Thanks alot for that info.

Jenn A

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis..TO RUTH WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!reply to rhn

2007-02-14 09:07:45

I know that L-Tyrozine is a natural synthroid. I found this out by mistake.
I used it to help myself tan (it also changes your pigment) and my blood
pressure sky rocketed. Then and only then I found out that it is a natural
synthroid or eltroxin. So the tip here is "DONT TRY IT!" unless you are off
of all medication.lol.

Vaccine challenge...$20000 offered

2007-02-14 08:40:33

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THANKS!!

2007-02-13 22:57:26

Hi all!!
I just wanted to write and express my deepest THANKS for the overwhelming
response to my prayer request. You ladies are the BEST! I have received so
much support, both on the list and privately, that I just can't respond to
everyone...
So please accept my sincere gratitude. The prayers are working - I feel
calmer, at least, even if the medical issue is still in the air. I'll learn
more on Thursday, and I'll let you all know what I find out.
Again, just TONS of thanks!!
~ Juli
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Re: Bridgette

2007-02-13 20:04:04

Hello Bridgette!!! and Welcome :) I liked your first posting about
people expressing their feelings...there is much to understand about
this disease!!! For myself I believe I have had subclinical
hypothyroidism for years. Until 3 years ago when I had a tooth break
and mercury vapours leaked resulting in autoimmune thyroiditis. I
went from doctor to doctor. Saw every specialist I could. Finally an
endo that put me on synthyroid. At first I thought it was great.
Meanwhile I had been studying disease and nutrition and realized that
I needed kelp in my diet. When I saw the endo again for a med
increase, he informed me that not only was I going to be on this med
for the rest of my life, but I could not take the kelp supplement. I
studied more and found out that synthroid leaches calcium from the
bones...and this was why my legs were beginning to ache sooo much.
Through diet changes and supplementation I was able to regain much of
my health. I had 4 amalgam fillings replaced, and within a month I
was able to stop the med and noticed that I actually felt much better
without it.
Unfortunately I still have 2 fillings left to go, and I have run out
of funds$$$$.
Do you have any stories that you would like to share? :)
Health is Happiness
Donna
P.S. If you've ever had mercury poisoning, you can really appreciate
sanity!!

Bridgette

2007-02-13 14:31:58

Hi and welcome Bridgette:)

I was diagnosed w/Hashimotos Thyroiditis (chronic autoimmune thyroiditis-hypo-)about 5 years ago.

Jenn A

Bridgette

2007-02-13 11:25:24

Thanks, Jenn, for the welcome.
I'm an undiagnosed something. I'm still fighting to see what's up.
Trying to maintain my sanity.
Thanks again for the welcome.
Bridgette

Re: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis..TO RUTH WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!reply to rhn

2007-02-13 07:18:13

---i guess you think if we use the drugs instead of "natural healing
ways" we just are not worthy of having an opinion i have tried
the "natural way" and it did not help me at all in fact it made it
worse, so yes i am on medications, but it is better than having
dementia, depression, hair loss, etc. i am glad you can do it,
natural healing, but please do not put us down because we have to use
medication remember we are all in the same boat and we need to be
there for each other because there are not enough people out there
who understand what we are going through take care and have a good

Re: Hashimoto's Thyroiditis../jobollm@y

2007-02-12 19:04:01

The problem with medications that are prescribed for this illness (or
any), is that they are merely "bandaids". They are unable to "cure"
anything, but are used to suppress symptoms. The problem isn't gone,
but it can't be seen...atleast as that or those particular symptom
(s) ... instead it will reappear as some other seemingly unrelated
symptom. This is how the body works. Take an aspirin for a headache.
The headache disappears for awhile (as the body is now focused on
repairing the bleeding stomach) but will return...so take
another...and another and before you know it, permanent stomach and
liver damage. But hey, the headache's gone...or is it? Now you have
high cholestorol and carpal tunnel syndrome. Not to say that the
aspirin is the cause, but how do you know what is really going on
with your body if you keep masking the symptoms with drugs?
As far as doctors go...next time you see your doctor find out how
they feel about vaccinations...please ask them if they feel they are
safe enough to give to a baby...then do some research on vaccinations
and what is in them and how they are made...a real eye opener!!!

Reply privatley on rudness

2007-02-12 12:38:55

Ladies, Ladies!!
First and foremost.....I joined this list to learn.
I must say....this is a learning experience for sure.
So many people have been misinformed and mistreated by doctors, family, etc.
Many of us feel cruddy and are in search of answers...but not to forget that
in each one of the mailboxes there is a human attached to the pair of eyes
that reads it.
I think it's healthy to say what's in your heart........and it might not
always be pleasant.
I think that we should try and get along....be understanding..and when one of
us falls.....reach out your hand.....dust them off....and let them know
you're still there to listen. Even if you don't necessarily agree.
This is my first post the group......but I felt I needed to say something.
Call it butting in if you want.....that's up to you.
Nice to meet everyone.
I look forward to more mail..containing information and human heartfelt
feelings....experiences........and such.
Have a great day!
Sincerely,
Bridgette

Re: Reply privatley on rudness

2007-02-12 10:56:23

Then don't send it to the whole list. I did not butt in and my comments were not rude and secondly, i was responding to another persons comments when someone told me I gave bad advice so tell me how rude is that. Secondly, why should i learn about alternative medicines. Look at the statics and then come back to me. Then I'll say who is right. But if you choose to go that path thats fine but all I am saying, alternative medicine is not the way to go for me. That is my personal opinion. I have had this disease well over 25 years and I am doing fine. I consult with my doctor all the time and we have a very good working relationship and if there is a problem, I will tell him upfront and what my feelings are. I learned the hard way, by not saying anything you only going to have more harm done to you. I joined this group to learn from others but when someone had told me I gave a person bad advice thats where I drew the line. And I don't think I was being rude at all. I think

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2007-02-12 04:57:08

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It's Easier to be Sick

2007-02-11 17:48:37

It never ceases to amaze me how we would rather put our faith in the allopathic
medical community than believe there could be an opportunity out there to
actually heal. It's actually easier to be sick than it is do to the work to get
better, because in all honesty, it IS a lot of hard work to heal. Special diets,
special herbs, taking them x number of times a day, certain types of exercise,
schedules like getting to bed timely (important for adrenals)or getting up
early, taking time out of our busy day to do our own personal research and
study, buying pure water, and just wanting to get better.
I am not a big Caroline Myss fan, I feel her philosohy can and has been taken to
extremes. But simultaneously I feel she has something to offer when viewed with
balance, that many people say they want to get well, but they really don't.
After all, one can claim they are too weak to do this or too tired to do this or
get a mini vacation everytime they are sick or lots of attention from their
doctor they don't get elsewhere, etc., etc., ETC. Not that everyone is dong
this, but often those who are doing it have not looked deeply within to see. Or
don't know how to. I won't go furhter into that here, but if anyone wants to see
what I am talking about, do a net search and go to her web site.
Anyway, I agree the doctors are one place to start and have told us all
something worthwhile. They give us the fundementals we all need. The A,B,C's. A
starting place. Not a finishing place. So we are in first grade with them. Now,
I am not saying all alternative methods work, or that they work for everyone. I
am simply saying that I for one will try something before I assume it will not
work yet keep faith in a doctor who only can give me the fundamentals. Kind of
like their religion. :)The AMA is very powerful and for years, for exmaple, all
endocrinologists were told that a tsh of 5.5 was considered normal. Recently
that has been changed and now I think it is something around 3.0 where they
finally agree to consider the possibility of hypothyridism. (Check Mary's site
for exact numbers.) So for those who believed their doctors without checking in
with the alternative healers to offer some balance, they would hav