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where does one find the t3?? in a vitamin store?

Hi,
I have a friend who was hyper and had to drink that stuff, sorry not
familar with what it is called. Anyway, now she is hypo and cannot
lose weight. Has had no luck with docs. Any suggestions?
Louise

There are 3 workshops listed here, the last is geared to the person
with fibro, send this info to your healthcare provider, they may be
interested.
From: "endfatigue" <info@...
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Subject: Dr. Teitelbaum's Upcoming Conferences of Effective Treatment
of Fibromyalgia & CFS!
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:38:13 -0400
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Learn How To Be An Expert In Treating Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,
Fibromyalgia, ME, And MPS...
Using A Proven, Integrated Treatment Approach!
For Prescribing and Non-prescribing Health Practitioners
Weekend Workshop/Conference November 2 and 3, 2002 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
Maryland Inn, Annapolis, Maryland
Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum, M.D., author of the best-selling book From
Fatigued to Fantastic! and senior author of the recently published
Landmark Study Effective Treatment 0f Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and
FibromyalgiaA Randomized Double-blind Placebo-controlled Study will
be holding two-day Weekend Workshops for Health Care Practitioners.
By the end of the first two days youll be able to effectively
evaluate and treat these patients using either an Integrative
Medicine approach or an all natural approach with no prescriptions.
These syndromes cripple an estimated 6 to 12 million Americans and
many more people worldwide. In Teitelbaums double-blind study (see
the abstract on the other side of this page) 91 percent of patients
in the active group improved with an average 90 percent increase in
quality of life (P. < .0001 vs. placebo).
The April, 2002, issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Pain
Management notes:
"Teitelbaums study is highly successful and makes Fibromyalgia a
very treatable disorder. The study by Dr. Teitelbaum, et al., and
years of clinical experience, makes this approach an excellent and
powerfully effective part of the standard of practice for treatment
of people who suffer from FMS and MPSboth of which are common and
devastating syndromes."
What Are The Benefits Of Taking This Two-day Workshop?
1. Both prescribing and non-prescribing health care practitioners
will learn to be experts in recognizing, evaluating the causes of,
and effectively treating fatigue, chronic pain, disordered sleep,
hormonal disorders, and cognitive dysfunction. CFS/Fibromyalgia can
resolve if one treats the infections (e.g., yeast, parasites, etc.),
disordered sleep, hormonal (including thyroid, adrenal,
ovarian/testicular, etc.), and nutritional deficiencies in an
integrated manner. Attendance is limited to allow for an excellent
learning experience.
2. There is an enormous demand for practitioners who know how to
effectively treat these syndromes. Over 75,000 people a year visit
our Web site (www.endfatigue.com) looking for help. Conference
attendees will be highlighted on our Web site referral list at no
charge.
3. Our treatment approach requires no expensive equipmentsimply your
ears, mind, and heart.
4. Learn how to develop a simple, yet highly successful practice. Be
free from involvement with insurance company and practice management
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working 30 hours a week and spending as much time with each patient
as feels best. You can finally be the healer and teacher that you
were meant to be, taking care of patientsnot insurance
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5. Our program has been proven to be highly effective in a recently
published "gold standard" placebo-controlled RCT (see reverse) and
has been accepted as "an excellent part of standard of practice" by
the journal of the major pain society of the U.S. (see above). These
also supply you with legal support for the treatments.
EFFECTIVE TREATMENT FOR FIBROMYALGIA & CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME A
PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY
JE Teitelbaum, M.D., B Bird, M.T.,C.L.S, R Greenfield, M.D., A Weiss,
M.D., L Muenz, Ph.D, L Gould
Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Volume 8 (2) 2001, p3-28
The full text of this study and our initial pilot study can be seen
at www.endfatigue.com
Objectives: Hypothalamic dysfunction has been suggested in
Fibromyalgia (FMS) and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFIDS). This may
result in disordered sleep, subclinical hormonal deficiencies, immune
dysfunction (with opportunistic bowel infections and associated
nutritional deficiencies) and autonomic dysfunction (e.g., neurally
mediated hypotension [NMH]). Our previously published open trial
showed that patients usually improve, often dramatically, by treating
all the above processes simultaneously. Our current study re-explored
this using a randomized, double-blind design with an intent to treat
analysis.
Methods: 72 FMS patients (66 female; 6 male; Avg. age 44.6 years; 69
also met CFIDS criteria) received all active or all placebo therapies
as a unified intervention. Patients were treated, as indicated by
symptoms and/or lab testing, for: (1) subclinical thyroid, gonadal,
and/or adrenal (Cortisol and DHEA) insufficiency, (2) disordered
sleep (Zolpidem, Valerian/Melissa, Trazodone, Amitriptyline,
Cyclobenzaprine, Carisoprodol and/or Clonazepam), (3) suspected NMH
(Fludrocortisone), (4) opportunistic infections (e.g., parasites,
Clostridia Difficile, fungal overgrowth), and (5) suspected
nutritional deficiencies (multivitamin, magnesium glycinate/malic
acid, B12, and iron).
Results: 38 patients were in the active group and 34 in the placebo
group. 32 patients in each group completed the study. At the final
visit, in the active group, 16 were "much better", 13 "better", 2
"same", 0 "worse", and 1 "much worse" vs. 3, 9,11, 6, and 3 in the
placebo group (p < .0001, Mantel-Haenszel trend test). Significant
improvement in the FMS Impact Questionnaire (FIQ) scores (decreasing
from 54.8 to 33.2 vs. 51.4 to 47.7, p < .0001, t-test), Analog scores
(improving from 176.1 to 311.1 vs. 177.1 to 211.3, p < .0001), and
Tender Point Index (TPI) (31.7 to 15.5 vs. 35.0 to 32.3, p < .0001)
were seen. Long term follow-up (mean 1.9 years) of the active group
showed continuing and increasing improvement over time, despite
patients being able to wean off most treatments.
Conclusions: Significantly greater benefit was seen in the active
group than in the placebo group for all primary outcomes, confirming
that effective treatment is now available for Fibromyalgia and
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Registration Form
Conference On Treating Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, ME, And MPS
Conference Date9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., November 2 and 3, 2002.
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in beautiful Annapolis, Maryland (58 State Circle). Located 40
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Conference Cost$395 ($345 if paid before September 2, 2002). Full
refunds are available until October 1, 2002. No refunds are available
after this date. The number of attendees is being limited to allow an
excellent learning experience.
Name:

Renee,
Happy birthday! I'm not sick of hearing from you either.
I have suffered from depression, but not in relation in any way to my
thyroid. I suffered my first bout of depression when I was 10 years
old -- right after my father committed suicide. It lasted about 3
months and I recovered without any therapy or medication. I probably
had youth going for me. I got depressed after my first husband left
me and again got through it without medication. I also got depressed
after my mother died of lung cancer and I chose to go for medication
that time. I took Prozac for a while and it definitely makes it much
easier and faster to recover from depression. Now there are also many
even newer anti-depressants with fewer side effects. If I needed
medication of that sort again I would try Wellbutrin.
If your depression is not related to any specific traumatic life
event you might want to try 5-HTP. It's a form of tryptophan and
trytophan is what your body makes serotonin from. If you're brain
lacks serotonin you will become depressed.
Best wishes for excellent health,
Celeste

Before I started on Armour thyroid, I was beginning to show signs of blood
sugar problems. Did you know skin tags are an early warning sign? Also a
brown line down the front of your leg. Now I feel like I am still a bit
insulin resistant, and expect it will resolve soon.
|Gracia
She also has me checking my BG levels at home. My question is what is a
normal range 1 hour after a meal for those who are not diabetic? Is there
are a certain level that we're supposed to stay under?

Happy Birthday! Get yourself some T3 and you'll be much happier. T3 is the
mental health hormone. Maybe throw in some cod liver oil too.
Gracia

Okay, I know you guys are sick of hearing from me...........
I was wondering if you could direct me to any good reads on
depression and thyroid condition. Granted...it's my birthday today
and I should be happy BUT I'm just not......I'm down.
If no articles, then what about supplements to try??? This is why I
thought working out is what I needed. I felt soooo much better when I
worked out. I just need to get back in the habit of it. I would still
like to try something to aid with depression though.
Thanks so much guys/gals - I really don't know what I would do
without you!!!!
Renee

I always understood that every CELL was affected by thyroid hormone, which
causes increased cell respiration. Every organ must be affected because my
overall health has improved so much.
Gracia

Ron:
Ron never used the words 'utilise' or 'directly', you did. He just wanted
to know if all organs require thyroid hormone to function. I was simply
providing a reference to his question.
Kat.

"The thyroid gland, located at the base of the Adam's apple in your throat,
is important in regulating metabolism. This gland affects every system of
the body including the brain, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, reproduction
system, etc." - http://www.csaceliacs.org/whythyroid.html

My PCP has referred me to an endo, as she feels I'm insulin resistant. She also
has me checking my BG levels at home. My question is what is a normal range 1
hour after a meal for those who are not diabetic? Is there are a certain level
that we're supposed to stay under?
~*~ Traci ~*~
Homeschooling mom of 7
http://traciscottage.com

John,
You're confusing us. Magnesium (not linked to mad cow) and manganese
(possibly linked to mad cow) are two very different minerals.
Celeste

British Farmer who taught himself some field in science. he had a
theory that Mad cows disease was caused by what your saying he went
to a place in Romania and found a whole village that had this
disease, Hi magnesium levels were found in the soil. It was a BBC
programme.

Hi! Is anyone on unithroid and how did you respond to it?
Thanks
-Jan

Hi everybody I saw a documentary on Tv some time ago about a British Farmer who
taught himself some field in science. he had a theory that Mad cows disease was
caused by what your saying he went to a place in Romania and found a whole
village that had this disease , Hi magnesium levels were found in the soil. It
was a BBC programme .
john C
Uk
Hey Lou Ann,
There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow disease is
very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where intense levels
of manganese are found. Makes for a much neater explanation than all the
other stuff...yet, there's something about feeding cows and sheep meat
that's a bit out of order.
SaraLou

Ron,
No, not all the organs utilize thyroid hormones. The pancreas, for
instance, is one that doesn't. Nor do the kidneys. The liver, on the
other hand, is one of the organs that does a lot of the conversion of
T4 to T3.
Celeste

Carlos,
Any fruit can make you fat if you eat too much of it and don't get
enough exercise. Have you checked the glycemic index of the fruits
you're eating? Pineapple has a pretty high GI. As do canatloupe and
watermelon. So eating any of those fruits is about the same as eating
mashed potatoes or cake.
Why do you think you need to lose weight?
Best wishes,
Celeste

Well, after the past couple of weeks of feeling awful, I feel pretty
good. I'm tired though. I need to get back in my program of working
out 6 days a week, that would really help. Ugh.
The last time I tested it was .11, now it's 3.59. He told me that
this is par for the course for Hashimoto's. I think it stinks.
Renee

Hey Lou Ann,
There's some pretty interesting research showing that mad cow disease is
very closely related to manganese poisoning, occurring where intense levels
of manganese are found. Makes for a much neater explanation than all the
other stuff...yet, there's something about feeding cows and sheep meat
that's a bit out of order.
SaraLou

How are you feeling with you TSH at that level?? That would be too high for me
- around 1 is optimal. Just wondering....
Julia H.

I think I would steer clear (no pun intended) from bovine because of
the "mad cow" factor.
I'll ask my doctor about it next time I see him. What is in Armour
that isn't natural? I thought that it was dessicated pork thyroid
that included the range of thyroid hormones, not just T4 like
Synthroid.
Interesting that you would say that Armour isn't natural.
Lou Ann

Well, I've felt so much better since I backed off on my Levoxyl. The
numbers that he got were as follows:
T4(free) - 1.0
TSH = 3.59
T3( don't know if free or not) - 121
He says these are all in the normal range. Now, I didn't talk to him,
I didn't even talk to his nurse, I talked to whoever answered the
phone and read my file.
Comments??
Ya know, having this disease REALLY sucks. I'm up and down all the
time as I'm sure all of you are. Does it ever balance out???
Renee

HELLO ALL: Do fruits like (pineapples, cantaloupes, and papaya) make you
fat? Because now i am adding to my weight loss diet fruits. I have decreased
the amount of starchy carbohydrates and increased the amount of fruits in
the day.
ANy thought would be appreciated
Carlos Guzman

Hi all,
I need some help interpreting a test result that I got today. It was given
to me from a nurse, so I didn't get to talk to the dr. The cause of my
hypo. has always been unknown at least to me, but last week my
endocrinologist was talking to a 'trainee' and casually said, "we think she
has hashimoto's". I asked her why she had never told me that and that I
didn't think I had it b/c I had some anitbody test done in October. She
looked at my past tests (not realizing that I even had that one done through
my regular doctor's office) and said that the one I had was an inaccurate
test, so she ordered a Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) test. The reference range
from my lab is 0-34 and mine was 345. What does this mean? Do I have
Hashimoto's or Graves Disease. Will this affect my pregnancy (I'm 25
weeks). I just never thought that my disease was an autoimmune one, so this
is all new to me. Endocrine disorders run in my family, but not autoimmune.
Any help would be appreciated to relax my anxious mind which will have to
wait until tomorrow or the next to talk to my specialist.
Much thanks,
Karen

Karen,
The TPO test results mean there's a good liklihood that you have
Hashimoto's, but it could also indicate idiopathic hypothyroidism
(meaning the cause is not known). See
http://www.aruplab.com/guides/clt/tests/clt_216b.htm for more
details. Hopefully, your specialist will have additional information
to make a diagnosis with.
Best wishes,
Celeste

John,
What does your doctor say is causing your chest pains? (You have been
to the doctor about that, haven't you?)
Best wishes,
Celeste

seems to get me by and the alleges and cramp have sort of stopped but
I am getting pains on my chest which is not a good sign .

Hi John
It's hard to tell where your T3 and T4 are without lab ranges, but your TSH
definitely looks too high.
Maybe you have cellular resistance to T3? You might also have trouble
converting T4 to T3. You can see an explanation of this on the thyroid
message board http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroiduk/messages?msg=1186.12
There is some info on both of these on Dr Lowe's site www.drlowe.com. His
search engine is not brilliant, but if you use the advanced option on
www.google.co.uk to search only Dr Lowe's website you should come up with a
few links.
Also, have you seen Gail's Thyroid Tips website? It's full of useful info
http://home.usaa.net/~wurmstein/
Sally

Hi everybody your advice please,
I am taking 1/4 Grain of Armour and 50 mg of Normal thyroxin. This seems to get
me by and the alleges and cramp have sort of stopped but I am getting pains on
my chest which is not a good sign .
here is my lastest test which would indicate that I am still Hypo
TSH 3.11
t4 72
t3 1.0
any advice please.
john C
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Check out the site http://www.thyroidsupportgroup.co.uk insulin is affected
by thyroid as the thyroid stimulates the digestive system

You can order bovine thyroid from nutrimeds - check out their website -
Armour has too much in it that is not natural

Get lots of fruits like pineapples, melons, oranges, apples, grapes, mangos,
etc, and make a fruit-salad. Before i didn't eat any fruits coz i thought
they would make me fat so i ate complex starchy carbs instead of fructose,
but i always felt dehydrated, depressed and tired.
But i have been putting 2 times of fruit salad into my day plust the
vegetables i eat, and i have decreased the amount of calories from complex
carbs (cereals, bread, rice) and increased the amount of fruits.
I feel a lot more energized (motivation, will, happier) than before and
less sored and painful, i think it has to do with the amount of energies
that go into the cells.
I am also taking Chromium GTF.
Juan Carlos

I have hypothyroid...been taking armour since february
and now i have a cholesterol problem....went to doc
yesterday and he put me on lipitor.....10 mg.....my
cholesterol is 243.....I never had this problem
before.....does anyone else have this also...and what
do you do other then meds?
susan
--- jimchristianhall <jimchristianhall@...

Hello!
I've not yet been officially diagnosed, but my PCP has referred me to an
endocrinologist, primarily because she feels I'm insulin resistant, but I
also have symptoms of hypothyroidism as well. Being just a general
practioner, they only checked my TSH and concluded it was not my thyroid.
My TSH in April 2002 was 2.26. After doing my own research, I first
realize that I need T4 & T3 checked as well, and also that levels above
1.5 - 2 could indicate a problem with my thyroid. Has anyone else read this
as well - about the new lower 'norm' TSH levels? It looks like I won't be
able to get into the endo until the end of July, so I intend to chart my
basal temp as well. I used to chart my temps about 3 years ago, when I was
trying to conceive - my temp was always on the low side (96-97.4 range
before ovulation). In fact, taking my temp at any point during the day and
it will be 97 something or right at 98 - 98.6 for me is a fever. Not sure
if this means anything - but I will chart them anyway to take to the endo.
I'm also logging my daily food intake at fitday.com and printing those off
every day, to show that I don't consume too many calories and to show what
I'm eating. I have not been able to lose weight.
Anyway, don't want to bore you with all my ailments - but I would appreciate
a little insight on my TSH levels from the 'pros'. Thanks!
~*~ Traci ~*~
Homeschooling mom of 7
http://traciscottage.com

Juan Carlos,
Too little exercise is just as bad. Except that you get the bad
results much sooner!
Celeste

Juan Carlos,
Why would you risk it? You're not overweight. The possible side
effects of phentermine include: diarrhea, dry mouth, constipation, an
unpleasant taste, hives, impotence, palpitations, high blood
pressure, and fast heart rates. Central nervous system side effects
include overstimulation, insomnia, restlessness, tremor, and
dizziness.
I hope you decide not to try it.
Best wishes,
Celeste

lot.

Carlos,
What do you mean exactly by complex carbohydrates? Or by starchy
carbs? Cream of wheat would be both a complex carb and a starchy
carb, but perhaps you are referring to the glycemic index of a
particular carb. The glycemic index is an indication of how fast the
sugars from a particular carbohydrate food (such as potato, rice,
table sugar, etc.) are absorbed and reach the bloodstream. If you
would like to learn more about the glycemic index and how various
carbohydrates affect blood sugar levels, please visit
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
Best wishes,
Celeste

Hi Juan Carlos,
You are absolutely right about starches. They are
rapidly changed into glucose by the body. This causes
an insulin reaction and causes fat storage.
A potato is the same as pure sugar to the body.
Ron

Hello, all,
I'm new to the list and newly diagnosed hypothyroid (Apr.2002). I
went from gynecologist (who ordered the first thyroid test I'd had in
my life--I'm 49) to endocrinologist (who repeated the blood test and
confirmed it, but said I'd have to be on thyroid meds for the rest of
my life and that Synthroid was the ONLY drug she would prescribe). I
just had this "gut" feeling that I shouldn't go with that
recommendation. I didn't go on Synthroid. It wasn't that I thought
something was wrong with the drug, it was that the endo wasn't
interested in working with diet and lifestyle changes in conjuction
with taking the drug.
I saw Dr. Mercola a week ago (June 2002)and had a battery of tests
done and a thorough exam. It was a welcome change from the usual 5
minute quick consultation and and quick exam that I got from all my
other doctors.
I will be going back to review results of my tests next week. Dr.
Mercola prescribed Armour thyroid, going by the results of my first
thyroid test, and this can be adjusted as needed.
I am also beginning to follow his Optimal Wellness diet. It seems to
be working for me so far. I am making the modifications very slowly.
You all probably know about this web site already, but here it is :
http://www.mercola.com
I began making diet modifications after I got my first thyroid result:
TSH=16.9 in April. The thyroid test in June was TSH=13.2. So that
convinced me that I had made some improvement with diet only.
I DO feel much better on Armour, so we'll see how everything
progresses from here. It is a relief not to have the tiredness and
"brain fog".
I look forward to reading and sharing experiences on this list!
Lou Ann

HELLO ALL: Read these articles and quotes which talk about how too much
exercise exhausts you constitution and leads to tiredness later in life:
Exercise
Neither too much nor too little about sums it up. But the purpose of
exercise is to keep the Qi moving along the meridians, to prevent stagnation
of Qi or Blood, and by so doing to nourish the zang-fu and tissues, leading
to glowing mental and physical health.
Too much exercise can drain the Qi, leading to stagnation and deficiency.
Too little exercise makes the Qi stagnate leading to many forms of illness.
Over the Millennia, various forms of exercise have been promoted, from Qi
Gung, which is really the granddaddy of them all as it uses the mind and
breath to move the Qi, to Tai qi, which teaches a series of controlled and
graceful movements that foster balance, mobility, inner calm, endurance and
good health.
Building great muscular strength is not seen as beneficial to health.
Using one set of muscles repeatedly until they tire, and then forcing beyond
that point, is equally hazardous. One thinks of marathon runners and others
who push themselves beyond the point of pain. In the immediate aftermath of
the race there is exhaustion and jubilation, but in due course, some of
those who pushed themselves too far will encounter damage that is hard to
remedy. This could be structural, to the bones or joints (predominantly a
Kidney energy problem, and/or Liver blood), or circulatory (Heart/Spleen).
Standing too long, or walking very slowly, is said to damage the Kidney zang
energy. Lying damages the Spleen zang energy. Sudden or very sharp movements
can damage the Liver Blood.
So the ideal is exercise that moves the Qi and Blood throughout the body,
that maintains flexibility, and that strengthens the zang-fu and the Shen.
"It is an admitted principle, that gymnastic exercises should be employed in
education, and that for children they should be of a lighter kind, avoiding
severe diet or painful toil, lest the growth of the body be impaired. The
evil of excessive training in early years is strikingly proved by the
example of the Lacedaemonians Olympic victors; for not more than two or
three of them have gained a prize both as boys and as men; their early
training and severe gymnastic exercises exhausted their constitutions. When
boyhood is over, three years should be spent in other studies; the period of
life which follows may then be devoted to hard exercise and strict diet. Men
ought not to labor at the same time with their minds and with their bodies;
for the two kinds of labor are opposed to one another; the labor of the body
impedes the mind, and the labor of the mind the body." -Aristotle (Book 8,
Politics)
"It is notorious that the Lacedaemonians themselves, while they alone were
assiduous in their laborious drill, were superior to others, but now they
are beaten both in war and gymnastic exercises" -Aristotle (Book 8,
Politics)
Juan Carlos

HELLO ALL: here are some energizing tips u can do:
Manage your stress: Practice relaxation. Take time out for yourself.
Get exercise: Start slowly. Do something you like. Find a good time to
exercise. Find a partner.
Check out your medications.
Improve your diet: Eat a good breakfast (whole grain cereal, fruit, milk).
Add more fruits and vegetables.
Stop the caffeine habit.
Give up smoking.
Have sex with your spouse or partner.
Get enough sleep: Have a routine. Go to bed at the same time every night.
Avoid coffee, tea, or caffeinated drinks after 6 pm.
Drink no alcohol
Juan Carlos

Yes it has been settled - just a few dollars ($18 I think may be the figure)

Get phentermine for weight loss, I am thinking of trying it, I haven't taken
any phentermine ever but I am thinking of buying a box of it online. What do
you all think about appetite suppressants? I think they do help a lot.
Juan Carlos
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Hi,
One of the reasons I believe I have had so much
difficulty getting low
thyroid diagnosed and treated is this:
Because I have diabetes, every doctor seems to want to
blame EVERY
symptom I have on the diabetes!
Fatigued, then it's the diabetes. Low immunity, same.
Weight gain, same.
Depression and anxiety, same.
It has been extremely hard to get any doctor to
consider that any of my
problems are caused by anything else other than
diabetes. I am going to
a new one July 1 and hope she will be willing to
investigate more deeply.
Anyone else run into this problem?
Jim

Hi, you might also have GLucose Storage Disease or GLucose Tolerance Disease
like me. It means that you have to limit your complex carbs u eat in the day
to a certain amount.
It doesn't mean you can't store or eat complex starchy carbs it means that
you store less than normla people. I know i have tendency toward diebetis
too
peace love money
Carlos

saliva test for adrenals...? I saw great smokies but
it requires a dr. to order it.
Hi Lynn,
I have two labs in my bookmarks from a couple of years
ago: http://www.aeron.com/ and
http://www.salivatest.com/store/index.html
I have not used Aeron, but did use ZRT Labs (the
second one) back then. I think Dr Mercola or Dr Lee
used to recommend them. I didn't have the adrenal
test, but tested cortisol am and pm (mine was
extremely low both times of the day), along with the
estradiol and DHEA. I had a good experience with
them...when I called to ask about the significance of
my results they were very helpful.
Good luck!
Martie
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Hi,
I have Type 2 diabetes. Does anyone else in this group have diabetes and
how do you believe it affects your thyroid?
Jim

HELLO ALL: Does it happen to you that complex carbohydrates are different in
the way u gain or lose weight??
I think i that i have Glucose Storage Desease (which means i can't store
too much complex cabs in my system coz those carbs would turn to fat (add to
my stomach belly)
For instance i have a problem with most complex carbohydrates and my
problem is that most complex carbohydrates make me fat after a certain
amount.
I mean if i eat more than 3-4 potatoes i would get fat, even if they were
boiled/baked without fat. It is not only the fat in food that makes me
fat., but again MOST STARCHY CARBS.
I have tried a lot of foods and my favorite food that doesn't get me fat
or gain is cream of wheat, that is why i have to eat a lot of it because it
doesn't make me bloated.
Well that is my personal thing
Juan Carlos

Found a web site about the class action. Sorry I can't remember the
web site. I think if you search for synthroid class action suit a
lot of sites are there. They give an 800 number (again I don't know
what it is, I have a thyroid problem, poor memory). I called the
number and apparently there are a few more individual suits that need
to be settled. No money has been distributed. I'll try and find the
number for you. I'll send another message with the number.
Louise

Has the class action lawsuit been settled against
synthroid company and has anyone actually collected anything?

Hi Louise, can you post the numbers? Free T3 and Free T4 are better tests
than regular ones. It sounds as if you need more thyrolar.
Gracia

Carlos,
A few years ago I attended a lecture given be one of the nutrition
coaches for the U.S. Olympic Team. She said that the only form of
chromium that has been clinically proven to have any effect on
glucose tolerance is chromium polynicotinate (NOT picolinate). So if
you're going to take chromium it would be a waste of both time and
money to use anything other than chromium polynicotinate.
Best wishes,
Celeste

My hypo symptoms seem to continue even after a change to thyrolar. I
feel much better than I did, however things are just not right. I
have requested blood work from Dr.'s and TSH has been consistantly
low and T3 and T4 are normal. Can anyone please tell me what that
means. I am also retaining water. Hands and feet are swollen. This
thyroid business is very confusing. In the evening when it is cooler
the swelling goes down. I am taking water pills but don't seem to
help.
Louise

No problem....I understand a lot of people have had bad experiences with dr.'s
who didn't know how to treat a thyroid disorder. I really do have confidence in
my dr. The first thing he did when I originally complained of fatigue and
depression is test my thyroid. He diagnosed me with Hashi's from the get-go.
Apparently he studied under an endo. during internship and has a lot of
experience treating the thyroid. He's very good about treating me by how I'm
feeling and not just by blood tests. When my TSH is around 1 I feel fine, so
he's reluctant to supplement with T3. Anyway, recently my TSH has been
rollercoasting up and down, up and down....it's awful! It'll be interesting to
see what he wants to do on my next visit, since I can tell by the way I'm
feeling that my thyroid is still suppressed.
Julia H.
Oh, sorry to be so flippant but I just don't believe in T4 only treatment.
So much of the suffering and constant testing is just unnecessary. I think
I need to go to medical school.
Gracia

I feel a lot better today coz i am taking chromium picolinate GTF (Glucose
Tolerance Factor) it helps controls cravings, energizes u and turns carbs
into energies instead of getting stored as fat or high blood sugar
Read a little bit about chromium
Chromium is the central atom in the "glucose tolerance factor" (GTF). GTF
works with insulin to transport glucose from the blood into body cells,
regulating blood sugar levels. Taking additional chromium helps some
individuals reduce cravings and control their blood sugar levels better --
beneficial for both individuals with low blood sugar and those with high
blood sugar (diabetics.) Take one tablet daily with a meal. 500 mcg chromium
each tablet with a proprietary blend of synergistic herbs and trace
minerals.
See u later
peace love
Carlos

I realized I did not put a subject line
Can anyone lead me to a website where I can order a saliva test for
adrenals...? I saw great smokies but it requires a dr. to order it.
Thank you in advance
Lynn

I found this to be very interesting--feng shui posted on a Nietzsche
discussion board! It's just a different way of looking at health. Juan
still needs better thyroid treatment.
Gracia

I did not want to go through the hassle of waitng( and paying) to see
a Dr. only to find out they were the wrong one for me. So I started
calling Dr.'s in my plan and said I just moved from out of town and
was on Armour(which I wasn't yet) and needed to find a new Doc and
they would have to support treating patients with natural hormones.
That did the trick!! There were some that actually will say "We don't
believe in using anything but synthetics!!" I will start my meds as
soon as I get my Adrenal profiles back as my Doc says she never will
start thyroid therapy until she knows what shape the adrenals are in
as it can cause horrible side effects. Good luck if you try this!
Kim

I too have suffered from this. Stay away from products with Sodium
Lauryl Sulfate found in soap, shampoo and other items as it is
extremely drying. I got a book from the library called "Don't go to
the cosmetic counter without me" by Paula Begoun. It has been
extremely helpful as it discloses products that are supposed to be
hypoallergetic but really aren't as they contain irratants that can
do bad things to hypo skin. Hope this helps, as it has helped me
sort through the way too many lotions and potions out there.
Kim

Juan,
Sorry, but this seems to be way off topic for this group. It seems to
be more like an urban legend sort of thing.
Celeste

Juan,
Yes, if you don't take your medication then you can expect to feel
tired because your thyroid function will be too low. Try staying
regular with taking your medication for at least 4 to 6 weeks and
then see how you feel and what your doctor says when you go for
follow up.
Celeste

hey all check out this cool article, enjoy
Sick House Sick People
Jenny Liu
The other day a very distressed Mrs. Taylor calls me on the phone. She
tells me that she has many problems in her home. She is most concerned about
her son who is either having mental problems or being very rebellious and
driving her crazy.
I arrive at her house and walk around the site. In front of the house is an
ascending hill. The land behind the house slopes downwards. This is a
backwards sitting house where the "support" mountain is in front blocking
energy while the incline in back lets energy descend away from the house.
Ideally, a house is open to the front allowing energy to enter while the
mountains are behind to offer support and act as a container to gather
energy.
The house faces "gen" or northeast and sits "kun" or southwest. This is a
Western Direction Pattern House which does not match Mrs. Taylor and her
family who are all of the Eastern Direction Pattern. Living in this opposite
frequency will bring them trouble both internally within the family as well
as externally with other people.
The left side of the house is the "yang" or masculine side, also known as
the "azure dragon," contains the energies that affect health and
relationships. A lower easement with a drainage aqueduct is located on this
side. It leads water away from the house from the northwest to west. This
can cause the males living in this house to be weaker in their health and
have unstable relationships.
More specifically, water is an energy relating to sex. Having it flow from
the northwest to west side stimulates frequencies that can cause the father,
associated with the northwest (quan) frequencies to commit adultery because
the west (dui) is associated with promiscuity and young ladies.
In terms of health, the father or the males of the house are prone to head
colds and respiratory problems such as pneumonia because the northwest
(quan) and west (dui) frequencies are also respectively related to the head
and lungs. Another potential effect of water draining away from the house is
money loss. In this case, having water in these areas can adversely affect
the Taylor family because they are people who have the opposite direction
frequencies. However, this may or may not be the case for a family of the
Western Direction Pattern.
Entering the front door and standing in the hallway, the first thing I see
is the fireplace directly aligned with the main entry. Having a major
circulation path where people are constantly coming into conflict with fire
energies is a potential cause of family arguments, car accidents and
lawsuits. Mrs. Taylor agrees that there are plenty of disagreements among
the family members. Also, she and her son are involved in two lawsuits, both
from car accidents. Looking at their birth chart, it shows that this year is
a particularly bad year for their entire family, making them prone to injury
and conflicts. Their bad feng shui compounds their already vulnerable
energies.
The stove and a large exposed beam are also located at the center or "heart"
of the house. The fire element of the stove in the center induces temper
while the exposed beam suppresses heart energies that can cause family
members to feel congested and stifled. Both are sources of quarrels and
bickering among family members.
As I tour the house and sketch the floor plan, I can barely open the bedroom
doors and walk in to examine the furniture layout. All the bedrooms are dark
and cluttered with clothes and boxes. Mrs. Taylor tells me the shutters are
perpetually closed for privacy. Their son's room is covered with posters
that portray violence. None of this is normal or healthy behavior.
I explained that the rooms have no air circulation and the "yin" or negative
energies are too depressing. I tell Mrs. Taylor this house is a container of
"sha qi," or harmful and negative energies. Anyone living in this type of
environment is bound to get very sick, have abnormal behavior, mental
problems and suffer a great deal of trouble and money loss.
I am surprised that her family has managed to live here for almost ten
years. The common person would have not survived. She admits she has
struggled and wants to get out of this house but cannot seem to be able to
leave. She explains to me that the previous owner died in this house after
three years and her son has tried unsuccessfully to commit suicide. Her
family has been slowly falling apart ever since they moved in here. Her
husband's aura is extremely dark. The frame of his eyes are black revealing
lack of kidney energy either from over work or over sexual exertion. He does
not deny either account but tells me that he is doing fine. It is apparent
that the husband has succumb to the ill effects of the house to the point
where he is unaware of what the house is doing to him and his family.
Aside from living in a dark and stagnant room filled with negative
frequencies, there are other sources that would induce their son to be
suicidal or belligerent. Their son's room door is aligned with the master
bedroom door. These opposing energies can cause the occupants in the two
rooms to have conflicts. The two bedrooms are separated by a bathroom which
is in their positive direction of "zhen" or east which is associated with
the liver and eldest son. The bathroom is a place of degrading energies that
conflicts with the eldest son's liver energies causing him to be moody,
easily tired and have poor body purification.
I told Mrs. Taylor that they should move out as soon as they can, even if
they have to temporarily rent an apartment. In the mean time, they should
remove all the junk, open the windows to let in fresh air and sun energy to
balance and purify all the negative "yin" energies. The fireplace should be
covered by a screen to hide it. Crystal balls or green plants can be placed
on either side of the fireplace to neutralize the fire energy. A mirror
should be placed at the back of the stove to reflect the negative energies
away from the center of the house. A wind chime should be hung between their
son's bedroom and the master bedroom to disperse some of the opposing
energies between them and their son.
Their son should take down the violent posters and replace them with images
of nature and personal goals to help him focus and attain peace of mind. A
mirror should be placed on the outside wall of the bathroom. These are
temporary means of ameliorating some of the negative energies so that they
may live a bit more comfortably while they search for a new home. It does
not necessary make the feng shui good because the land and structural
configuration of the house are poor and cannot be altered without great
expense.
Even more importantly, the Taylor family needs to improve their own energies
through meditation, exercise and diet. The stronger their personal energies
are, the less of an influence their poor environment will have on them. They
have to break the cycle of having the house's energies constantly
degenerating their well-being.
Check more articles from Jenny Liu at http://www.liu-fengshui.com

HELLO ALL: I have a problem and that problem is tiredness, i feel an extreme
tiredness i don't know maybe that is due because i have missed a couple days
of taking levothyroxin, is that because i haven't taken it for a couple
days?
Does anybody feels tired too, i have gained weithg too, tghat is why i
feel depressed.
juan carlos
"Don't think you're worth anything you're just another customer" -Perry of
Janes Addiction

Hello, you should go to http://www.thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/
Karen

Hi all
I know there have been postings about this but I cannot find one in the archives
that I am looking for. I was wondering if anyone knew of a website where I could
purchase the adrenal gland test. I saw Great smokies but they require a doctor
to order it. Are there any that do not? Thank you in advance for any help...
Lynn

I WAS WONDERING.. WHAT THIS THS IS AND IS IT A SPECIAL TEST?? OR IN THE BASIC
TESTING FOR A COMPLETE BLOOD WORK UP.. WHAT ARE THE RANGES ONE NEEDS TO BE?..
IVE KEPT SOME TESTS THAT I HAVE RECENTLY HAD AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF MY NUMBERS
ARE THERE...
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My level was right around there too. It is scary! Everytime I have a baby my
thyroid wigs out again during that postpartum period. I gain weight
afterwards instead of lose! Just what a new mother needs:).
Stay on top of your doctor. You will find that you need to be informed,
because they are really lacking in this area.
Melissa

My doctor diagnosed me Monday with hypo after having blood tests done last week.
I have been doing research and realized that my TSH rating is of 42.3 is
extreme. She did say it was severe, but only left a message on my voice mail,
and prescribed me the meds and said I would be feeling better in a few weeks and
I need to be re-tested in 4-5 weeks. In reading several articles and posts, it
seems my level is extreme. In fact, I haven't had seen anyone's higher than
mine! Any comments? I'm pretty scared!
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Well, as I was typing, I thought, Hmmm...I haven't seem them in
awhile. I might get one or two on a finger and then nothing. I
thought it was my Selenium doing it but alas it wasn't. I don't have
groups of them, just one or two on a hand at a time. As with
everything else, I will ask my doctor tomorrow. It only started since
I've been taking this medicine though, that's why I thought it was
hormonal. Also, it's only really bad during my period then it goes
away for a few weeks.
Thanks again,
Renee

Have you lived in Texas your entire life, or are you new to Dallas?
I know that sometimes life changes such as a move, a birth, a death,
etc...can effect you more than you would think. So, other than the diets,
medicines, etc...have you had any drastic changes in your life?
Wendy

Renee,
Celeste suggested that it may be herpes. I agree. I know it sounds bad,
but it's fairly normal to have. It's just a fungus. Do you get little
groups of blisters in one area? I have the blisters on my elbows & lower
back a lot. I use an antifungal cream & it helps. It goes away, then will
reappear in an area close by the previous area. I just put some cream on &
it will eventually go away again. I don't think they're contagious. But, I
don't know if you can ever completely get rid of it.
What I've noticed lately are red spots on my face. But....they're not
blisters. So...I think this is something else. Sometimes I wake up in the
morning with a fairly bright red spot on my face. Sometimes it fades away
within a few hours. Sometimes it seems to get really dry, rough & scabs
over. I don't know if it's just dry skin or what.
Wendy

Celeste,
My sister has hypo. She said that the prescribed progesterone cream helped
her immensely.
Maybe someone else knows exactly why it seems to help.
Wendy

There are two different links here:

Renee,
You may or may not have better success with a naturopath. In fact,
unless the doctor can prescribe the medication you need, you might
end up worse off than you are now. My experiences with practitioners
of alternative medicine have been really bad when it came to my
thyroid. They were completely unable to diagnose my thyroid problem.
Fortunately, one of the alternative practitioners I was seeing
finally referred me to an M.D. who was able to really help me. So if
I were you I would try another M.D. after getting a referral from
someone you trust.
Best wishes,
Celeste

The blisters could be herpes. Do they lessen or go away when you take
l-lysine?
Celeste

last time i was tested for thyroid problems the dr said i was fine no
problems there.. ive been over weight since i was about 14 and im 46
now..
any help would be appreciated..
GYPSI
Try thyroid (with T3 in it). Many of us can't go by the tsh test.
Gracia

I have those too! I am on Synthroid. I thought it was from using cloth
diapers on my daughter. Who knows...

Renee, that's exactly how I feel when my thyroid is suppressed, which it is
right now.
I'm currently taking .125 mgs of Levoxyl, but at last check my TSH was .33 which
is too low for me. I feel terribly - cranky/moody/impatient, fatigued, can't
sleep, terribly muscle and joint pain.
The dr. didn't want to change my dosage after this last time because my TSH has
been on a rollercoaster the past 6-9 mos. When he decreases the dosage I go too
high, then when he increases it I go too low. I feel like my poor body is just
worn out from the fluctuating! Soooo, he wanted to leave me on the same dosage
and see if my TSH would level out on its own rather changing my dosage yet
AGAIN.
I don't know how many times I've told my dh "I just want to feel like my old
self." I completely understand where you're coming from.
Julia H.

Hi Jan,
I have a tsh of 3.I have Hasiotos and it flucuates.
Deangirl
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input on this.
Anyone on thyroid therapy with a TSH of 4 ?
Thanks
-Jan
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Hi guys/gals,
I need your input. We're all trying to get through this medical
nightmare with our bodies and mine is taking me for a loop.
If you remember, I was diagnosed with Hash's in November. Well, I've
changed medecine twice( was up to .075mgs of Levoxyl). Now since my
last bout with no sleep and being tired all of the time, my doctor
figured out my TSH was .11 and my T4 was 1.9. I've now been
instructed to take .075 one day and then .050 the next.
Guys, this JUST ISN'T WORKING. I'm jumpy as hell, I have NO PATIENCE
with my 22 month old whose relationship I'm sure I'm ruining, and I
feel awful. I'm always tired, etc..........you guys know. I just want
to feel good again.
I'm just about to go to a naturopathic doctor and screw traditional
medicine. I'm probably going to have to pay for it being my insurance
company isn't going to carry it.
Should I do it? Should I give my regular doctor another chance?
If I should give him another chance, are there certain questions I
should ask? If so, which ones.
Thanks,
Renee P.

I could send you info on the products I'm taking. (They're expensive;
okay,
very expensive, but they seem to really be improving not only my
digestion
but my brain function, depression, energy, etc.)

Hi everyone! I hope I can get your input on this.
Anyone on thyroid therapy with a TSH of 4 ?
Thanks
-Jan

Daniel,
There is no herb that's going to replace a missing thyroid gland. I
think that your girlfriend should ask her doctor for cytomel to take
in addition to the levothyroxin that she is currently taking. Or she
could also ask her doctor to switch her from Synthroid to Armour
Thyroid, since this medication would be closer to what her thyroid
gland would make if she had one.
Now, if she can't get her doctor to augment or change her meds then
there are some things she could take that might help her body make
more T3 from the T4 she's taking. There's a very good product called
T2-Pro that contains two different forms of l-tyrosine (which the
body uses to make T3) along with coleus forskohlii (an herb which
helps with energy production at the cellular level). Take a look at
http://www.biotestedge.com/html/t2.html for more information. If you
don't want to use that product then she could also just try buying
some l-tyrosine and coleus forskohlii at the health food store.
Best wishes,
Celeste

Hello!!!
My girlfriend was diagnosed with graves disease many years ago and
her thyroid was removed. Now, technically, she has hypothyroidism.
She has been taking synthroid and has also been on levothroid.
Somehow, although, ever since she has had this problem she has never
felt very well. She is always tired and just doesn't feel right.
She has tried raising her dose of medication. She thought that might
help to give her more energy. That didn't help so she wants to learn
about taking natural herbs, but she does not know what to take. We
only have two endocrineologists where we live and one of them is a
pediatrition. The other does not have a good reputation. We know it
is imparative for her to eat lots of fruits and vegetables for iodine
and other nutrients but we have heard that there are specific herbs
that either contain natural thyroid horemone and/or help in the
production of it. We have researched the web for an answer but there
is not much we have found as far as just using herbs and no synthetic
drugs for a person without a thyroid. so our question is, "Can a
person without a thyroid use just herbs for horemone replacement
instead of synthetic drugs? If so, which herbs would do the trick?"
Really! we thank anyone for any help they may give.

I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's over 20 years ago, but I've never
had red hands. What medication are you on? Are you taking any
nutritional supplements?
Celeste

I've never really noticed but mine seem to be all the
time too.

I`m new to this group. I have Hasimoto`s disease.
My hands are always red.
Does anyone else have this?
Deangirl

Hi Jolene, wow that is a challenge. My opinion is that T4/T3 drugs work
best and I like the older drug Armour thyroid. (Synthroid is T4 only and not
FDA approved but has been very well marketed). The right medicine can make
all the difference. Many of us have a real struggle to find a knowledgeable
doctor. I think there must be a group for parents of hypo children, and
they would probably be of more help. Have you seen www.thyroid.about.com
and www.brodabarnes.org?
Gracia

My doctor thinks all I need is a week of vacation or a trip to a
shrink. On my way to find an endocrinologist.

recent research states that people feel optimal at a level between 1 and 2.
Karen

First, let me say that having joined this e-group last week, I've found
your posts encouraging and helpful.
In the past six months, my TSH levels have bounced from 5.91 to 12 and
back. My doctor thinks its not a problem, but I'm feeling pretty awful.
I'm far more tired than I've ever been, experincing moodiness and loss
of memory.
Given some of the high TSH levels I've read here, I keep wondering why
I'm so symptomatic (sp?). So my question for the group is what is
really normal and should I be more proactive in pursuing some
treatment?
Thanks.

Juan,
I don't think the time of day you take it matters much, but you've
got to take it on an empty stomach in order for it to be absorbed
without being destroyed first by digestion. That's probably why most
people opt to take it upon arising.
Best wishes,
Celeste

John,
You could be having an allergic reaction to the Royal Jelly. Lots of
people are allergic to bee stings, bee pollen, royal jelly, and the
like. Also, have you tried the herb Coleus forskohlii? It can be very
helpful for asthma and other bronchial problems.
Best wishes,
Celeste

insufficiency. I am of to the Dr this week and I want arm myself with
as many facts as possible.
synthetic this produced really bad allergic reaction im my lungs and
horrendous hay fever. something I have never suffered with. Also in
the end I got this bad neck pain so much so I could not turn it when
driving and my wrists and fingers were so painful and full of cramp
that I could not open a bottle.
far too strong. I have now modified my dose and now take 1/4 of a
grain in the morning and 50 mcr around lunch time. I still wake up
with the wrist and leg cramps but they go about 20 minutes after
taking the dose of Armour.

My daughter, Allyson, was born April 8, 2002 and diagnosed on April
17, 2002 with Hypothyroidism. She is currently on Synthroid and
still having difficulty gaining weight. She seems to be developing
normally but she is still about 2 pounds under weight. I just
wanted to introduce myself and try and find others with this
condition. I would love to ask questions of an adult who has
hypothyroidism, so I can get an idea of what to expect as she grows
older.
Thank you very much for your time.
Jolene mommy of Allyson Kayla.

HELLO ALL: I just wanna say that hunger is mental, I mean the feelings of
hunger come from the brain not the stomach, which means that there are
neurochemicals involved in hunger, so by exercising you can produce amounts
of neurotransmitters which controls hunger and appetie of course u will get
hungry but when you stay inside near the kitchen all day indoors you will
get more hungry because boredom decreases neurotransmiters which leads to
appetite.
Juan Carlos

Gracia,
I've been using the progesterone cream called "FemGest". So far, I really
haven't noticed anything for the better or worse. But, I've only used it
about a month. Thanks for the link. I put a hold on the book at my
library. It does sound interesting. As far as my vitamins....I guess mine
are about 75mg of B vitamins. Do you get the "Tyler B complex" from your
hfs? Exactly what is dhea? Gracia--thanks again for replying.
Wendy

My favorite lotion is "Purpose". It does soak in the skin & then
you can reapply it. For my face, I sometimes use "Green Soap".
It's supposed to be a medicinal soft soap. But, it does contain
alcohol. So, I'm not sure how you'd like it. My skin does feel
softer after using it. I really don't know what it's used for
medically. But, I've always gotten it at a pharmacy.
Wendy

Linda, I go the the centre for complermentary meds in London.
I pay about 25 GBP per month for 30 1 Grains and 30 i/2 grans.
I hopw that helps
John
I live in Aveley which isn't far from Hornchurch, and am desperate to
try Armour. My GP will only prescribe thyroxine for my hypothyroid
but I also have to take tablets for high BP and water retention. My
cholesterol level was high, but with medication it came down, but it
is creeping up again.
Does your GP prescribe armour for you or do you see a private
doctor. Also do you have to pay for the prescription or is it
covered under the exemption certificate.
Thanks
Linda
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John
Thanks, could you let me have some more details about the centre,
where it is, telephone number, do they use other types of treatment.
I have tried chinese herbal medicine and found that I had more energy
but I still had the "aches and pains".
Thanks again
Linda

http://www.infertilityworkshop.com/articles/hormonalhealth/thyroid.htm

John
I live in Aveley which isn't far from Hornchurch, and am desperate to
try Armour. My GP will only prescribe thyroxine for my hypothyroid
but I also have to take tablets for high BP and water retention. My
cholesterol level was high, but with medication it came down, but it
is creeping up again.
Does your GP prescribe armour for you or do you see a private
doctor. Also do you have to pay for the prescription or is it
covered under the exemption certificate.
Thanks
Linda

Hello-
I also have very dry skin, but on my feet, not arms.
This might sound crazy, but if you really can't find
anything, you might try something called 'Bag Balm'-
there may be others sold under different names. It's
an old trick of my father who would use it on his
hands when they became severly chapped. It is the
stuff they use for cow's utters, but you should be
able to find it at a variety store. A cream I am
using now, which seems to help a bit, is the Hemp Oil
lotion found at The Body Shop. It's a little less
strange than the bag balm, but it's more expensive and
it has a hemp, 'hippie' odor to it. Good luck!
-Bianca

I am in the midst of recovering from a tsh battle of the doctors. I
am doing better, however, my skin is so dry my forearms look like a
lizzard molting (do lizzards molt?). I have been to the store and
purchased "stuff" any kind of cream but it is hopeless. I feel as
though I am putting nothing but sweet smelling, thickened watter on
my skin. Cooking oil? Raw Texas oil? 10w 40 motor oil? Befor I
resort to any of the above oils, could someone recommend an oil that
works for a recovering hypothyroid?
Thyroid Thelma

Juan I don't think you are well or thinking clearly. IMO you should go to
the doctor and ask for a free T3 test.
Gracia

what blood test s, or tests are prescribe for adrenal
insufficiency.
John,
I may not be exact on this, but when my dr. was going to test me I remember
seeing DHEA, Cortisol, Progesterone, Aldosterone, Testosterone, and maybe
adrenaline. She was also going to test my androgens, so some of the ones I
listed may be androgens. Hope this helps.
Karen
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hello all: is it ok if i take my levothyroxin tablet at night after dinner?
Because that way my metabolism is fast and i will get skinny when I get up
in the morning
thanx
juan carlos

Hi everybody what blood test s, or tests are prescribe for adrenal
insufficiency. I am of to the Dr this week and I want arm myself with as many
facts as possible.
Just for you information, I was taking 100mcr and 1,25 mcr of synthetic this
produced really bad allergic reaction im my lungs and horrendous hay fever.
something I have never suffered with. Also in the end I got this bad neck pain
so much so I could not turn it when driving and my wrists and fingers were so
painful and full of cramp that I could not open a bottle.
I was put on Armour but this was like rocket fuel for me and was far too strong.
I have now modified my dose and now take 1/4 of a grain in the morning and 50
mcr around lunch time. I still wake up with the wrist and leg cramps but they
go about 20 minutes after taking the dose of Armour.
Some time I get a bit low at night and my brain goes blank I can be watching TV
and my head goes empty and my wife says I go vacant.
(The lights are on but nobodies at home syndrome) If this happens I take another
1/8 grain of Armour and in 20 minutes I am back.
This is not ideal but I am wondering if my Adrenal has gone low hence my
intolerance to the synthetic.
At this moment my eyes are veryt bad and my fingers are stiff and I have trouble
opening bottles but at least I can breath,
Also Having gone to three drs now they are telling me this is nothing to do with
my Thyroid or lack of the gland.
Any ideas from the group..
I am also taking T lymph at night Vit B and Royal Jelly and other suggestions
would be grateful.
Best regards
John C Uk
Ps for the Soccer fans we are through to the last 8 and the USA is still in
there. It been great fun but now my TV gone wrong so I am watching it all on a
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Jim,
I don't think you have to eat meat, but it would be helpful to cut
back on high-GI carbs and eat plenty of fish and other seafood.
Best wishes,
Celeste

Hi,
I have mentioned this before. I have been a
vegetarian for about 15 years.
I have developed hypothyroid within the past 18 mos.,
or so.
People keep telling me I need to eat meat to control
my hypo. Also,
I read a book by Dr. Stephen Langer recently where he
said people
need to eat some meat to control hypothyroidism.
Eating meat at this stage of the game would probably
literally make me
sick. I am a vegetarian because I don't like the idea
of animals being killed
for me to eat when there are so many other things I
can eat (beans,
cheese, veggies, fruits, who grains, etc.)
What do folks in this group think about vegetarianism
and hypothyroid?
Jim

I feel like that VERY often, unfortunately. The only difference is my
TSH was .11 and I was on 75mcg's of Levoxyl. I don't know WHAT is
going on with me. I'm about ready to go to a homeopathic doctor and
screw "traditional" medecine. Unlike you, I have 20 lbs to lose. I
don't have the energy to get up and do it though. I'm VERY frustrated
right now and I have a 22 month old to watch and it's killing me.
I've also noticed that if I DON'T eat, I get VERY nervous and shaky.
HOpe you find some relief!
Renee

i guess we are all doomed, read this about things that deter our health also
i wanna tell u all that i feel tired all the time, i'm on my time with
everyone
Juan Carlos
Genetic Factors
There is not much we can do about our genetic inheritance so we need not
dwell on the subject for too long. It's worth pointing out that even though
there may be a history of heart disease in your family it does not
necessarily mean that you will be affected. The risk factors multiply
together so if you are doing everything else right, there is less chance of
the genetic factor coming into play. In any case it might not be anything to
do with your genes, it could be the case that you share an unhealthy
lifestyle with your family.
Women are less likely to suffer an heart attack up to the menopause, it
seems that female hormones may offer some form of protection, but the
process is not yet fully understood. After the menopause a woman's risk
gradually catches up with men and after the age of 75 the numbers are about
equal.
Smoking
Well known as a risk factor for heart disease. It constricts your arteries,
makes your blood sticky and more likely to form a clot, robs your body of
vitamins and costs you a small fortune.
Raised Cholesterol
The higher your intake of fat, particularly animal and dairy fat, the higher
your blood cholesterol level will be. This in turn leads to the build up of
fatty plaque on the walls of your arteries.
High Blood Pressure
High blood pressure causes damage to the lining of the arteries and
accelerates the build up of fatty plaque in the arteries. Also it causes
extra stress on the heart by forcing it to work harder to pump blood.
Unfortunately, high blood pressure usually produces no symptoms, so it is a
good idea to have it checked from time to time.
Taking regular exercise, adopting a healthy diet and management of stress
can all help to reduce high blood pressure.
Diabetes
A fairly common disease affecting around 3% of the UK population, once it
was almost invariably fatal, but can now be treated through insulin
injections to control the symptoms. It can exacerbate the problem of high
blood cholesterol. Good control of diet is extremely important in this
condition.
Obesity
A modern day epidemic and a very serious problem. There is really only one
way to lose weight effectively and that is gradually, aim to lose no more
than a couple of pounds per week. Any more than this and you will feel
hungry and your body will go into famine mode and use the calories you
consume more efficiently. If you feel hungry all the time you will
eventually eat more and gain more weight than you would have had you not
starved yourself. You need to eat not less food, but concentrate on eating
the right type of food, less fat, more complex carbohydrates, more fibre.
This combined with a sensible exercise programme should result in gradual
sustainable weight loss until you reach your desired weight level.
Stress
In some ways the most difficult problem to solve. Very often a stress
sufferer does not realise that they have a problem. In a later section we
provide plenty of help and advice to reduce the stress in your life.
The problem really is chronic stress, that is a succession of stressful
events occurring one after the other with no time to recover between.
This produces hormones in the bloodstream that constrict the arteries,
unfortunately if you already have narrowing of the arteries the effect is
multiplied by chronic stress.
Lack of Exercise
Regular exercise will enable you to metabolise fats more efficiently, thus
lowering your blood cholesterol, reduce your blood pressure, and help to
relieve stress - as you exercise your body produces morphine-like substances
producing a feel good factor. Most of the health benefits can be gained by
moving from a sedentary lifestyle to a modest exercise programme. Just 30
minutes per day of brisk walking can reduce your risk of heart disease
substantially.

Hi I also was extremely irritable and nervous, actually when I first started
taking Armour thyroid I was so irritable but it stopped. Armour is the old
fashioned medicine made from pig thyroid, has much more besides T4 in it.
Many people like me think it is the best. I think the website is
www.armourthyroid.com What medicine are you taking? Something I hope.
Gracia

I've been on that stuff for 30 years. I am 57 years old and things
just haven't been right for me for the last two years in regards to
my hypo condition.
Louise,
You say the last 2 years have been bad for you. What about the 28 years
that Synthroid helped you, even if it wasn't 100%. Think of the last 30
years without it. Synthroid has the same chemical components as Levothyroid
drugs do. Maybe it is time to move on to something else if you're not
feeling well.
Karen

How are you? I know this sux, i mean hunger-pangs do not even let me
concentrate on my books, I have been doing bad in school coz of increased
hunger and i cannot eat more because i feel that i might gain weight, any
tips on how to kill appetite naturally (i dont have money to buy appetite
suppressants)
Juan Carlos
From: melissa coleman <misprize@...
To: juancarloscruz@...
Subject: staying hungry
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
hello i have just been diagnosed with hypothyroidism i
have been taking levothyroxin for about 2 weeks and
all i want to do is eat i stay hungry also. i am only
108 pounds and never have ate as much as i have since
taking levothyroxin!!!! i wonder if anyone else have
experienced this!!!! anyway good luck
misprize@... feedback welcome!!!!

can someone explain to me what is armour i am new to thyroid diseas