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Hi all- I'm new to the group. I've recently been put back on my old
thyroid meds because the homeopathic stuff I was using apparently
decided it didn't want to work anymore. Within the last year, I've
gained 35lbs, started losing my mind, and feeling like ick all the
time. I finally went in and had the bloodwork done (ya, I know, I
shouldn't have waited) and sure as heck, the numbers are right back up
there. The dr wanted to put me on Synthroid, but I remembered from
last time that I needed a med with both T3 and T4 so he put me back on
Armour, but a little higher dosage this time. Anyone else on Armour
Thyroid? Last time I was on it, I lost about 100lbs in a little over
a year. I'm hoping this 35 will go in about that much time, but we'll
see.
Jeni

here are my test results... the dr put me on synthyroid.
RESULTS UNITS REFERENCE
TSH 2.263 mcIU/ml 0.350-5.500
ThyroxineT4)7.9 mcg/dl 4.5-12.
T3 Uptake 30 % 24-39
Free
thyroxine index 2.3 1.2-4.9
T3 150 ng/dl 85-205
anti thyroid anti-bodies
TPO <10 IU/ml 0-34
antithyroglobulin ab
<20 IU/ml 0-40
he does not beleive in the armour.. so what should i do? right now he gave me
two weeks each of synthroid.. starting at 50mcg. take these for the two weeks
then start on next dosage take those for two weeks and i am to keep track of how
i feel during this time... if i feel good on one then go to next dosage and
start feeling bad then we will go back to previous dosage... the doses given to
me are...50 mcg, 75 mcg, 88 mcg, and 100 mcg....
should i do this first then if still nothing makes me feel better try the over
the counter armour???
he said i am only mild hypothyroid...any suggestions will be greatly
appreciated..
gypsi
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Gypsi, all of your numbers look pretty good and within range. Why were you
put on T4?
Karen

HEllo all: i quit doing excess of exercise becasue it was making me too
tired, so now I am just walking twice or 3 times/week another thing was that
exercise increased my metabolism too much and that made me eat more.
I've noticed that certain foods make some peple fat and not others, like
some vegetables that have starches and some fruits that have too much sugar,
so i am very careful not to eat those...
Juan Carlos

another thing is that excess of exercise leads to deep hunger, and low sugar
Juan Carlos

Hello,
I agree that these lists should not be open for
spamming and the CS
machine marketing posts are a bit much.
I also agree that the safety of colloidal silver is a
subject that is open
for debate and discussion.
But, I do have to disagree with the argument that
colloidal silver does
not deliver the goods.
From my personal experience, I have found that it can.
Many times this
past winter, I took CS when I had a viral sinus
infection. Almost immediately,
I could see shrinking of my sinuses and drainage
taking place. It was truly
amazing to see how quickly the CS got rid of the
infection in my sinuses.
I was skeptical at first, but the results speak for
themselves.
Having said all of this, I just wish I could be
CERTAIN that CS is not
potentially harmful. I have really seen no convincing
arguments on either
side of the issue.
Jim

-I was hyper last year, and have slowely become hypo. I have
hashimotos and have daily ups and downs. My body feels not
my own these days and my doctor as well seems to dismiss
how symptomatic I am...it really frustrates me. Just empathizing
with you. Jill

Looks like we've been spammed!! I am surprised that the list
moderator allows this.
Celeste

my doctor talked me in to doing the Up Take and made
me Hypo
Keith,
What's the Up Take? I've never heard of that. yes those are normal hypo
symptoms. The only thing that I can think of for you is to have an antibody
test if you haven't already. Many people with autoimmune disease such as
Hashimoto's disease start out hyper and sway toward hypo. I think it starts
as Graves Disease, but I'm not positive. Just a thought. I know my dr.
thinks the TPO (antibody test) is accurate and that's the one I had. I
would also look into finding another doctor who is more sympathetic. Go to
http://www.thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/bldoc1.htm
There's listings of Top Docs by state or country.
Karen

Hi People maybe you guys can help me understand this. I was Hyper for
about a year,nothing seem to work to make me feel better. Well my
doctor talked me in to doing the Up Take and made me Hypo. That was a
big mistake for me. My body went crazy, my muscles started to hurt
then the cramps started all over my body. i gained 30lbs, my neck
glands are swollon and cramp when i eat or drink. i have pain in all
my joints. i cant think right or just forget things all the time. But
everything i tell my doctor go's in one ear and out the other, it's
like he dont beleive me or something. is there anyone out there who
has had the same problem. and is this normal to feel this way being
Hypo? Thanks Keith

Thanks Ron,
The cost is more with the implant but I am concerned more about how
my Hypo condition will affect the implant or vice versa. If there are
health concerns then I guess the only option is a bridge.
Anyone have any knowledge of this ?

Angelina,
It sounds like the dosage of your thyroxine medication might be too
high. I experienced what you're describing when I was on too high a
dose of levothroid. It didn't take much of a dose reduction for me to
feel normal again. I think you should see your doctor about this.
Best wishes,
Celeste

Hi my name is Tom, I am on about 8 Colloidal Silver group.
and I have a website Town-Shopping.com
We are hoping to get the word out about Colloidal Silver
to every family in the US.
We are going to help start-up Partners in 640 Towns in the US to help
make the CS50 Colloidal Silver maker.
We have 640 Towns in the US to help..
We are offering you one of the cheapest start-up Businesses available anywhere.
There is no set-up fee and no monthly account keeping fees.
This is not a pyramid scheme, nor are you merely a salesperson!
You will be operating your own Business as Partners with us at
http://town-shopping.com/
Each Representative will be running their own Business with no start-up cost.
Let me repeat this, there is no start-up cost involved at all.
Rather than get the CS50 from the town-shopping web site, we're setting up a
representative
in 640 towns all through the US. To get the CS50 out to every American family
which is our goal,
this would take us forever, it just would not be humanly possible.
So we are inlisting the help of local individuals in each town as Partners to
get the job done.
Town-shopping.com and our representative will work alongside each other.
Town-shopping will act as the essential marketing place to direct individuals to
the
appropriate town, then representative, and the representative will make contact
and go from there.
We will help you get the word out.
We will provide our representatives with the following help.
1. A FREE page on our website to send people to.
Have a LOOK at your page. http://town-shopping.com/list/tjm.htm
2. A detailed plan on how to build the CS50 with backup and support.
3. A detailed plan on how to get the word out around your town.
As people go to town-shopping.com and are educated about the marvels of
Colloidal Silver,
they are prompted to purchase the CS50 for the cost of $100 by going to the
local town representative.
You make contact with them and build the CS50 for them and get paid the $100 by
them .
You can print up cards and flyers with your web address on them,
as well as networking with word-of-mouth around the town, we will help you with
this.
We will help you with construction of the CS50 Colloidal Silver maker.
We will provide our representatives with the following help.
If you have no knowledge in electronics at all don't worry, we will educate you
and guide you in every step
of construction of the CS50. And then we'll keep working with you, guiding you
on how to get the word
out in your town. It's that simple. Just think of how many families are in your
town, that's your market.
With very little effort on your part this could be a very good Business for you,
turning you a substantial
amount of money as well as arming every household with an effective means of
controlling disease.
So the question remains, will you help us get the CS50 out to every family in
your Town?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is
for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burk- 1727 -1797
Let us get the word out about Colloidal Silver to every family in the US.
ANTHRAX, BOTULISM, PLAGUE, SMALLPOX,
TULAREMIA the list goes on and on. (9/11).
We can help protect many families in the US from biological terrorism Why is
smallpox so much more of a
potential threat than anthrax? Biological agents are odorless, tasteless and
invisible to the human eye.
Weight-for-weight, they are hundreds to thousands of times more potent than a
chemical weapon, according to the Center for Defense and International Security
Studies in the UK. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United
States
lists five biological diseases as "high-priority" biological agents that pose a
risk to national security.
Just think of how many families you can help in your town?
http://town-shopping.com/towns/index.htm
CU Tom

I have two bridges that I'm happy with.
Like you I hated to grind down good teeth especially
the eye tooth since I was missing the one behind.
Worked out all right though.
I asked the dentist about implants but as you have
already discovered they cost a whole lot more.
Also after they implant the titanium post they wait
for,I think, 5 or 6 months to see if you reject it.
Also ask about the maintenance of the implant. It may
be that you incur a periodic expense just to keep them
up. Bridges are no problem at all.
Sorry I don't know how the implant procedure affects
hypothyroid.
Ron
Bridges are no problem at all.

Hi,
I have a mild cases of hypothyroidism (blood thyroxin 9, avg 10-25, but this
result was the same 18 months ago) and am quite wary of synthetic drugs. Many
are so new to the market I feel as though I am a pharmaceutical guinea pig.
In my natural alternative research I came across a reference to bitters being
used to stimulate the thyroid function for mild hypothyroidism. 1/8 of a
teaspoon before each meal.
I have just started this so at least if I'm going to be a guinea pig it's for my
own purpose.
I know bitters is supposed to stimulate the gallbladder and be a tonic for the
liver but I would like to hear if anyone has tried this for hypothyroidism.
Regards
Linda

I have a split tooth towards the front surrounded by to good teeth.
The tooth has to come out and grinding the good teeth down for a
bridge seems a shame. I am wondering if there are negative
short/long term impacts with being hypothyroid and getting an
implant. Or any negative impacts at all. My bone and gums are healthy
and the dentist said the implant is coated titanium.
Anyone have any experience, and/or suggestions ?
Thank You.

I agree with you,Kat. But silver does have,I think, a
60 or 70 year history of anecdotal evidence. A lot
anyway.
In a world that was not controlled by the pharm.
companies it would not cost milions and millions of
dollars for a double blind, or whatever, study that
would satisfy the FDA.
CS is so cheap that the profit is not there to pay for
this kind of study.
It is a rigged game in an imperfect world.
Ron

AMEN! Julia

I say that it is up to the CS proponents to prove it works. It's not up to
the consumers to prove it doesn't work. That's just basic science.
Kat.

It is not up to me to promote CS nor am I obligated to
prove anything.
I do take exception to deliberate misrepresentation
such as the Rosemary Jacob's argyria and I know the
Quackwatch history and the founders non-existent
ethics.
Now I say for the last time: Do your research and make
up your own mind. If you still believe CS to be
harmful then that is fine but I hope you at least
knock it with something factual.
Ron

ogle+Search
Once again you fail to provide any specific answers or factual data.
I performed the search you specified, and found the following:
1. An article on quackwatch, which you don't even want to discuss.
2. An article that tells me that more than 5ppm isn't safe: "Some brands
with high concentrations of silver may actually not be completely safe.
High concentrations of silver do not kill disease germs more effectively
than the safe range of 3 to 5 parts per million (ppm.). " -
http://www.all-natural.com/silver-1.html. Given that we get 5ppm from food
and water, I fail to see any benefit in taking colloidal silver.
3. The same article tells me that colloidal silver kills viruses by
suffocating the enzymes. Well, for your information, viruses don't even
have enzymes.: "The presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungus,
bacterium or any other single celled pathogen disables its oxygen
metabolism enzyme, its chemical lung, so to say."
4. The same article then goes on to state that colloidal silver won't
necessarily cure you, because it can't even get to the micro-organisms:
"Colloidal silver only kills micro-organisms when they are in contact with
it for a sufficient period of time. The human body is a complex system
which may prevent high enough concentrations of colloidal silver from
reaching the "affected area"."
Why is it that you provide hardly any supportive data, but you are quick to
put down Rose, Quackwatch, and the FDA?
Kat.

Hi everyone
I have joined this group a week or so back and have just been around reading
everyone's posts. and though I should introduce myself and let myself known
to the group.
I'm Angelina 23 years old from Australia. My medication history is that I
had a cancerous tumour growing on my thyroid and had a surgery to remove it
early august last year. Since then I have been fine untill only a few months
back when I started getting a lot more colds and flus than I have ever had
and about a month or go start having weird dizzy spells and blacking out, as
well as weird pulsating heart beat. Blood test came back and was diagnosed
with being hypothyroidism about 3 weeks ago. I have since been put on
thyroxine medication.
My first question for the group is:
Has anyone experienced ABSOLUTELY CRAZY BIZARRE mood-swing and SEVERE
depression when they first being started on thyroxine? If so, has anyone
found anything that may help these symptoms? They are both driving me
ABSOLUTELY BERSERK! Not to mention feeling totally out of control of my life
at the moment.
Also did anyone experience severe and frequent migraine when they first
started on thyroxine?
I have also experienced severe lack of energy (and SLEEP!!), motivation to
do things and the constantly feeling of tiredness and being worn out. I have
been told that this is quite normal? Is this right?
Thanks. And I hope to learn more about hypothyroidism as time goes.
Angelina

Colloidal silver references:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=colloidal+silver&btnG=Goo\
gle+Search
I feel sorry for anyone who relies on the FDA for
honest unbiased info. The FDA is simply an enforcer
for the pharmaceutical companies, the alopathic
monopoly and T4 heads.
Ron

Ron,
It was me who said colds and flu. That was my interpretation of
your non-specific "surprise invaders". I apologise if I misled anyone, it
wasn't deliberate (as you implied in your third personal attack against
me). Perhaps you could rectify my assumption and tell us exactly what
colloidal silver does protect against? I assume you have references?
Kat.

Hi Karen and everyone,
I am on no mail and then when you asked if "Rene" (and I don't know if you were
referring to me since there's another Renee) remembered Earl. I couldn't write
back because I didn't have the "post" button for any of my groups. I figured it
out tho. ;) I do remember Earl and wished he'd post again. I think he is very
intelligent and knows what he's talking about regarding natural remedies and
causes of some diseases. I agree with him wholeheartedly, but I think he pushes
his product too much. One size doesn't fit all when it comes to herbs or
medicines. ;)
Take care,
Renee

Ron,
What would silver have to do with colds or flu? I get less than 1
cold/flu per year and I do not use any kind of supplement containing
silver. Also, antibiotics would be of no use for colds or flu.
Celeste

Ron,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. The above
levels are the equivalent of 14tsp of 5PPM of Colloidal Silver and I (an
average person) consume enough silver (1mg) every 3 days through water and
diet to (supposedly) fight off invaders. The EPA reference dose for a 160
pound adult (the average amount consumed per day in food and water) is 364
micrograms per day. Given that I do indeed get colds and flus and I have
chronic fatigue, I can only assume that this is not enough silver? How
much silver do you think I need? If I triple my silver level will that
prevent all colds and all flus and get rid of my chronic fatigue? Do you
have any studies to prove this? As 1mg is the recommended therapeutic
dosage of silver, why do I need to supplement it with CS? Are you saying
that the CS experts have it all wrong?
Thanks,
Katrina.

Hi Katrina,
I just wrote an email to you that took me too long and

go to
http://www.mercola.com/1998/jul/20/temperature_regulation_for_thyroid_testing.ht\
m

Hi,
What is the relationship between hypothyroidism and low basal body
temperature? Could anyone explain?
Thanks.

Arthur,
In my opinion, I would wait on starting those anxiety meds. I had pretty
bad anxiety that went away with thyroid meds after a while (a few months).
I felt like jumping out of my skin most of the time. So, wait a few weeks
(I know it's hard) and get a full thyroid workup (T3, T4, etc.) and maybe a
hormonal/adrenal workup (testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, DHEA,
cortisol, etc). Rule that stuff out before you start going on tons of meds.
Just my opinion. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
Karen

i don't know where to start?the last six or so months has been hell!!
to put it lightly.i first was getting nausa,and dizzy
spells,fatigue,nevousness,anxiety,and i was alway's tired.
so i went to the E.R complaining about my symptoms,the first visit
they did'nt do a thing and diognosted me with a cold or flu,about a
week later i returned to the er with the same symptoms but only
worse,they did thyroid test and found elevated levels about 20.5 oe
something like that,but also told me they could'nt do anything for me
because it's a cronic illness and they don't deal with anything
cronic,so i started going to a walk in clinic,where the nurse
practiciner told me i have cronic hypothyroids and put me on levoxyl
25 mcg,i've been taking it for about six weeks now and i notice a
little change in myself,i don't have the dizzy spells and i'm not as
fatigued,but i've also been having alot of abdominal pain
recently,about a week ago i was sent to the hostiptal for more blood
test,they all came back ok except my white blood cells were higher
than normal,she and the others at the clinic are stummped,with no
clues,so the ordered stool test and i geuss for some reason they only
sent back parcial test results and they looked ok.lately i've been
really bad off,with really lose stool and alot of abdominal pain in
different areas,alot of pain in the arms and legs,with alot of
anxiety,so i returned to the clinic again today and they diognosted
me with cronic anxiety disorders,with more meds to take for the
anxiety,also for another visit to the hostipal thursday for a
abdominal sonogram,so hopefully i'll get something from that becauase
all this not knowing is getting really depressive and driving me
grazy,well theres a little history of myself and my problems...does
anyone have any ideas or advise,because i sure could use some???
sincerly going grazy...arthur

I met with an endocrinologist last
week who was quite kind and compassionate. I told him that I felt
like I was trapped in the body of a 95 year old woman (I am 40) for I
simply have no energy. He ordered a complete thyroid panel along
with other test to rule out pituitary gland involvement. I now must
wait until Aug. 7 for the results.
Sorry to ramble, but I am so frustrated by the long painful journey I
have engaged in since January 2001. I am hoping the endocrinologist
holds the magic key to unlock this heavy chain I wear around my neck.
I am so tired of being tired and simply want my energy back and would
like to resume my normal life. Thanks for listening. If anyone has
any advice please share.
Thanks
Marcie
Marcie, you are blessed to have an endo who is kind and compassionate, AND
who has done a complete panel. Have you gone on Mary shoman's Thyroid site at
About.com? you will find some very knowlegeable men and women that can walk you
through this journey. i was not diagnosed with hyopthyroid until I was 44. And i
still am learning new things. I have since been told this last month that I may
have PCOS (poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome) The endocrine system is inter connected
with the hormones, yada yada. I DO know that I feel 99% better now than I did 3
years ago, now that I am on thyroid replacement. Is there a reason that it is
taking so long for the results to come back? That seems like a really long time.
Keep sharing and writing. You are not alone, we have been there and know how
desperately you want your life back. I remember going around and around with
misdiagnosis for 2 1/2 years. I finally found a paperback book at a drug store
titled "From Fatigued to Fantastic", took it home and read it in one night and
then called my doctor. A week later I had begun taking Armour Thyroid. Within 2
weeks I felt human again. what a waste of time the 2 1/2 years had been.
needless, you know? Hang in there! And post me privately if you need to. Julia

Hi,
I'm certainly no expert on colloidal silver, but since
I take it occasionally,
I am interested in this discussion/debate.
It was my understanding that the FDA's action about CS
was in response
to one elderly man becoming ill with this "silver
disease."
Has more than one case actually been documented of
this problem that
is tied directly to COLLOIDAL silver? If so, I would
certainly like to know
about it.
Thanks, Jim

Hi...I have been reading the posts on this panel for 5 weeks now since I
visited my doctor and my TSH reading came back as a 42.3. The message she
left on my voice mail was that I would be feeling like "night and day" in
the next 4-5 weeks. Well...I can tell you that I don't feel any better....I
have gained another 3 pounds, and I go to the gym 5 days a week doing 30
min. cardio, weight training, and have tried going back to kickboxing which
two years ago I could attend 2 classes in a row....now I can't make it
through one.
I have lost my fiancé because I am so insecure about my weight (30 lb.
weight-gain in a year and a half), and I am always tired.
I have been on a strict eating plan for 3 weeks now (never ate BAD...but
didn't eat GREAT)... so thought that might help. nope.
I am only 32 and in the last year and a half I feel like I have been in a
downward spiral!
I have been on Levoxyl (white tablets...2 a day)....doesn't seem to help at
all.
I always feel EXTREMELY bloated in my feet and hands and face.
What am I doing wrong?
I do live in Arizona and it is 115 here, therefore, I am forced to drink
tons of water.
Anyone else experiencing this? Any words of advice?
Shannon
I went back today for more blood tests

Hi
I am patiently waiting for my thyroid panel to come back but will be
very surprised if I am not hypothyroid. Both my dad and older
brother have underactive thyroids and I am exhibiting many of the
same symptoms they experienced prior to their diagnosis. I have been
battling severe fatigue ever since I was diagnosed with bacterial
pneumonia at the beginning of 2001. I have slowly gained about 15
pounds even though I continue to exercise 30 - 40 minutes 6 days a
week. I run around the house in sweats because I am always cold and
was diagnosed with Reynard's syndrome 3 years ago. When I complained
to my doctor about this he told me I had a sleep disorder, upon
pressuring him he did agree to check my TSH levels (back in March
2002). He reported my results as being normal. I again pressured
him to consider other possibilities and he agreed to send me to an
infectious disease doctor. I met with this specialist earlier this
summer and he asked me about the abnormalities in my blood work (that
which was reported as normal). I told him things had been reported
as normal and I would speak to my doctor ASAP. The infectious
disease doctor ordered blood work and told me I had a chronic Epstein-
Barr. When I recently meet with my doctor again, he blew off the
Epstein-Barr diagnosis and again told me I had a sleep disorder. When
I asked about my TSH level he told me it was normal and I shared the
conversation I had with the infectious disease doctor. He showed me
my results (4.6) and told me I had to be at 5.0 to be considered
hypothyroid. He commented on how dry the skin on my hand appeared
and I told him that dry skin often was a symptom of thyroid disease
to which he replied "have you heard of udder balm?". Needless to
say, I was boiling inside but calmly left his office and began a
marathon reading session that weekend. The message that appeared
over and over again what that if a doctor was basing their diagnosis
simply on numbers it was time to seek the advice of someone else,
which is exactly what I did. I meet with an endocrinologist last
week who was quite kind and compassionate. I told him that I felt
like I was trapped in the body of a 95 year old woman (I am 40) for I
simply have no energy. He ordered a complete thyroid panel along
with other test to rule out pituitary gland involvement. I now must
wait until Aug. 7 for the results.
Sorry to ramble, but I am so frustrated by the long painful journey I
have engaged in since January 2001. I am hoping the endocrinologist
holds the magic key to unlock this heavy chain I wear around my neck.
I am so tired of being tired and simply want my energy back and would
like to resume my normal life. Thanks for listening. If anyone has
any advice please share.
Thanks
Marcie

The articles point to silver having side effects at certain levels. Why do
you have a problem with me sharing that information with other readers of
this newsgroup?
My last e-mail never contained a single reference to Ms. Jacob.
Also, you conveniently never answered my question in the last e-mail:
Katrina.

Ron, thanks for the link to the "build your own" CS site! I have good
instructions from my site, but no pictures! :) How is it working for you? Julie

Katrina,
I'm talking about ORAL colloidal silver.
You seem to not differentiate silver from colloidal
silver. Do you even know what it is?
This 1st thing you present makes no mention of
colloidal.
The next studies that you present admit that the cause
of agyria was:
1) I.V. injection of silver arsphenamine.
2) ingestion of silver nitrate (hell you kill warts
with that) for over a year.
3) excess consumption of silver acetate lozenges for
over 2.5 years.
Nowhere in what you have presented does it point to
CS. as having any side effects whatsoever.
You must have some kind of axe to grind in your
denunciation of CS. This has been an absurd waste of
time for all concerned.
Ron
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Alisha,
I am so very sorry for your loss. I understand completely
on what you are going through.
My story is this, I have had two healthy boys. No problem
conceiving or with the pregnancy. After my second child
was 18 months, my DH and I decided to try for another
child. It didn't take long to conceive and we were so
excited yet the excitement ended all too soon as I delivered
him at 14 weeks yet he was only measuring 10 weeks.
We didn't think too much about it as I was older (36). We
decided to try again. I got pregnant the first time we tried (4
months later, as hubby was out of state). Again we were
excited yet this one didn't last long either and Moroni II was
born at 16 weeks. I am starting to wonder what is happening.
Again we try, lost Rose at 8 weeks. Lost Lillie at 21 weeks,
and Isaac at 14 weeks (he was 10 weeks in measurment).
With Lillie I went to the doctor and was found to have had
hypothyroidism. I was put on Amour and still I lost her
and Isaac. I lost Isaac this last Dec. I just had another
TSH level done last week and it was 0.00, so we are
planning on trying again. I am praying that with my
thyroid in balanced that I will have a live , healthy , crying
baby in 9 or 10 months. So, for my I say yes it could
of caused your loss. I would demand that they do a
thyroid test on you. I look forward in hearing what
the doctor says. I pray that both you and I will have wonderful
news soon.
Lynnda
mother to:
2 great additions @ time of marriage
2 Wonderful birth children earth-side
and
5 Celestial Angels
www.geocities.com/lynndasangels2000

Lynnda,
I am very sorry for the loss of your babies. It is just so terriable
tthat doctors will wait until after several miscarriages to test to
see if there is a problem or not. I am very glad to hear that
everything is looking good and you and your husband are trying
again. My baby was also 14 weeks but measured only 9 weeks. Up
until this point everything seemed fine. When he measured him at 10
weeks, everything looked like it was right on track. My baby
measured the exact length that went along with how far along I should
have been. Then when I went back a month later everything was so
much different. I am going to the doctor Friday, so hopefully after
doing some blood work, I can find some answers. I have just been
wondering why the doctors don't test for thyroid problems when you
get pregnant. They seem to draw blood and test for everything else.
I hope the best for you and your husband on having a healthy baby.
Please keep me updated.
Alisha

My name is Alisha. I am new to this group. I have some questions
about hypothyroidism. My husband and I have been trying to conceive
for a year and a half now. I was able to get pregnant last July, but
I lost my baby in November. Since then we have not been able to
conceive. I went to the doctor in December because of depression and
he put me on the drug Zoloft. He didn't see the need to test me for
thyroid problems at the time since I really didn't have any symptoms,
such as irregular menstral cycles. But since then I have been
charting my cycles, and they have been lasting from every 30 days to
every 44 days. This is very abnormal for me, because my cycle used to
be very regular and only lasted 28 days. I have also been charting my
temps and they have been very low. They range for 97.0 during the
begining of my cycle to only 97.8 during ovulation. I have also
heard that this could be a factor contributed to thyroid problems.
I am going to the doctor again this Friday and he is going to do
blood work for me to see if this is the case. I was just wondering
if anyone else has had this problem and if I do have problems with my
thyroid, could it have been a factor in my loosing my baby? I also
was wondering if any of the women in this group had trouble
conceiving because of this? And how long does the meds start to work
after you begin taking them? I was also wondering at what ages is
this common in women, because I am only 20 yrs old and I have not
heard of anyone else my age with the same problem. I would greatly
appriciate any responses.
Thank You,
Alisha

Prior to being diagnosed with hypothyroidism last December, I had
been on a 6-month weightloss program that has me taking Bontril
(phendimetrazine). I had success. I lost 35 pounds in about 4
months. However, since December, I have not been taking the
medication nor am I on the program (due to money issues, etc.). I am
interested in getting back on the program and was wondering if
anyone else on the board has taken weightloss meds while hypo and on
hypo drugs. Isn't working for you?
I'm going to see my doc in 2 days and I plan to ask her about this
as well, but I would like to know about other people's experience.
Thanks.
Krystie

Actually Rosemary was not using colloidal silver.
This story is a misrepresentation promoted by the
charlatan than runs the so called Quackwatchers
website. He is an extortionist and lower than
swampwater.
Having said that: I don't particularly like the CS
machine that Tom is promoting.
Ron

If you need T3 it might be easier to get it from a psychiatrist than
from a regular doctor. See
http://healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/Site/story_depression_t
x.htm
Much aloha,
Celeste

Hi my name is Tom
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Kat.

In a message dated 7/22/2002 1:31:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
katnap@... writes:
Kat,
This is such great news!!! I admire your courage and your reasoning in
figuring this out! I also have a mail order form for pharmacies overseas to
use as an ace in the hole should I not be able to get T3 again locally. I'm
convinced it is a major contributor to health and well being for subclinical
hypothyroid people! Too bad more MDs refuse to recognize that fact!
Linda

Just a brief update to let you know what's happening with me.
I was taking 7 grains of Armour Thyroid per day and I sometimes had
hyperthyroidism symptoms (thumping heart, elevated heart rate, etc.). This
would happen two or three times per week and last for about 15
minutes. However, my basal temperature was 96.8-97.0, which is still too
low. I went back to my friendly doc who did a TSH test and found my TSH to
be non-existent; he suggested I reduce my dosage even if it meant feeling
worse. He offered no other suggestions, so I decided to try a few
experiments of my own. I figured that my problem was too much T4 and not
enough T3. I ordered some Cytomel from overseas and decided to reduce my
Armour and slowly add in some Cytomel. I am currently on 5 grains of
Armour and 40mcg of Cytomel and my basal temperature is at 97.6 as of this
morning. This is the highest it has ever been. As of today, I am changing
my regimen to 4 grains of Armour and 3 tablets of Cytomel (60mcg). I will
take my temperature again in a week and let you know how things go. Once I
normalise my basal temperature (97.8 - 98.0), I will also get a complete
thyroid panel done to confirm that my blood work is within normal limits.
I also feel pretty good. The "heavy" feeling I get in the mornings has
decreased, and I seem to be able to focus a little more. All subjective
and anecdotal, of course :-)
Kat.

Dear All,
Well just thought I would tell you all that I may have
lost some battles but I think I am winning the war.
Thanks to information and knowledge I have gained from
this group since I was diagnosed in January this year.
I went to see my doctor about a week ago now and told
me that the antibody test I asked for a couple of
months ago, has come back positive(as I felt like I
wasn't stable and wanted more blood tests including T3
which isn't done as standard). Not only that but a
pretty big positive. My doc has now suggested
reffering me to an Endocrinologist which is something
I asked for about 5/6 months ago. Now I am left
wondering if I had been reffered when I requested it,
would I have still had all those months of feeling
like crap.
I was also told that if the T4 is normal it is not
usual for them to test T3 as well, has anyone else
found this? I find it pretty odd as I would have
thought that especially on a newly diagnosed they
would want to run full thyroid function tests (or am I
living in a dream world....lol)
When I was first diagnosed I was diagnosed with
Aquired HypoT now I find after the test that I have
Hashimoto's. Can anyone recommend any sites for
Hashimoto's? I have looked on the About site already,
but looking for more info.
Watch this space anyway, and thanks so much for
everything.
Ali

Rae, certain adrenal tests are accurate and some are a waste of time and
money. You can find more info on the best tests at www.thyroid.about.com
DHEA is another important adrenal hormone that should be tested too.
Gracia

i have been told by several people on this site to check my adrenal
level. can this be checked by a cortisol blood test?
thanks
rae

Hi--PCOS will go away with thyroid hormone that has both T3 and
T4. You might need progesterone as well.
Gracia, that is not true. see http://www.hormone.org/learn/pcos_3.html
Karen

Karen, That site describes the conventional allopathic approach to pcos but
there is another approach that addresses the cause and doesnt use synthetic
hormones. This makes for healthier mother and baby.
Gracia

Gracia,
Sorry, but PCOS is a condition with many side effects that doesn't just "go
away" with hormone therapy. There are treatments you can have that can
temporarily alter the symptoms, but never will "PCOS --- go away.
Amy

Jan,
My guess would be that it's a scam. Any product that relies on
testimontials and anecdotal claims (instead of legitimate
clinical research results) would be suspect.
Best wishes,
Celeste

Hi--PCOS will go away with thyroid hormone that has both T3 and T4. You
might need progesterone as well. You feel bad because you are only on T4
right now. Check out www.womensinternational.com and www.brodabarnes.org
Both sites have doc referral.
Gracia

Hi! Has anyone seen or looked at the web site
http://www.thyrodine.com They have numerous
testimontials and anecdotal claims. I guess these
folks are in Australia/New Zealand. Are they legitimate or scammy?
Anyone have any experience with their stuff?
Thanks
-Jan

Does anyone know about or have used Modifilan?
I recently spoke to a Doctor and said that he was looking
at this supplement for Hypothyroidism?
I did a search in goodle for Modifilan and found some very interesting
stuff. However, would like to know if any one has seen this before
and what your experience has been with the supplement.
Thanks
-Jan

I found a very good web site with a lot of patient information for
those with thyroid disorders:
http://www.krispin.com/thyroid.html
Much aloha,
Celeste

I forgot to add one additional question:
Is it possible I do not have hypothyroidism? Is it possible to have
your hormone levels occasional test out of normal range, but not
necessarily be hypo? I ask this because I felt fine before starting
levoxyl and now I feel like crap half the time.

Last July I had a test to check my hormone levels before starting a
weightloss program. They wanted to rule out hypothyroidism before
starting my program. The test showed levels that were slightly low,
so my doctor sent me a week later to have another test, which showed
my levels well within what my doctor considered normal. Keep in
mind, I have been tested for thyroid problems almost yearly since
childhood due to being overweight.
Last December my OBGYN was running a slew of tests on my because I
had concerns that I may have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. As apart
of the test, she tested my thyroid and she diagnosed me with
hypothyroidism and placed me on 50 mg of levoxyl. Before being
diagnosed, the only symptom I had was brittle hair, which I had had
for a few month prior to the diagnosis.
I was retested 6 weeks after taking the levoxyl and my levels were
back to what my doctor considered normal.
However, around April, I started noticing that I felt fatigued. Then
I noticed that on occasion I would sweat profusely when I was just
going through my normal daily routine. I have also noticed that I
have low grade headaches almost daily.
So after some research online, I'm at the point where I am
requesting my levels be checked again and I am trying to seek the
advice of an endocrinologist.
I have several questions, which I'm sure my doctor will answer, but
I am curious if anyone else in the group have had these experiences:
1. Profuse sweating and high pulse ... has anyone else on here had
this reaction with Levoxyl or another hypo drug? Does this mean that
I'm just all of a sudden having adverse reactions to levoxyl or is
it likely I am getting too much or too little of the drug for my
condition?
2. Brittle hair - my hair is still drier than it was before the
diagnosis. Is there any conditioning treatment or vitamins that will
help with my dry hair? Recommendations? Right now I use Hydrology
Shampoo and Conditioning (I have tried many conditioners).
3. Is anyone on here from NC and do you have a good endocrinologist
in the Greensboro, Winston-Salem, High Point, Durham, Chapel Hill
area that you recommend?
Sorry for such a long message, but I appreciate any recommendations
or information.
K

Sorry I forgot, I am also taking 4mg DHEA.
Thanks Jenn

Hi all,
This is my first post although I have been lurking for some time. My
question is- What meds/ vitamins can I take with what meds/ vitamins?
I am currently taking:
225 mg Effexor XR
3/4 grain Armour
2000 mg Vitamin C
400 mg Vitamin B-12
1200 IU Vitamin E
100 mg Iron
Birth Control
I am having a hard time getting a schedule established. Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks Jennifer

Hi John
My favourite books on the subject are The Thyroid Solution by Ridha Arem (I
can't recommend this highly enough), Living Well with Hypothyroidism... by
Mary Shomon, Thyroid Power by Richard Shames and Solved: The Riddle of
Illness by Stephen Langer. If you are also worried about your adrenals I
would recommend Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L
Wilson. These books are all available from www.amazon.co.uk
All of the above books are very informative, even to patients in the UK.
Some of the drug names are different, but most are available in the UK.
If you want UK-orientated info, then join the UK Thyroid disease forum
http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroiduk
Sally

Hi John
Low cortisol indicates adrenal stress, also low DHEA-s
Sally

John,
You can see how many members are subscribed to this group simply by

Thanks Celeste I am just a stupid limey
john C
Ps we are quire a good size well done to the person that started this group

What's also interesting is that for many women the onset of thyroid
disease is triggered by pregnancy. So it isn't only the synthetic
version of female hormones that can be a drain on the thyroid. Our
own natural production of female hormones can also be a strain on a
marginally functioning thyroid gland.
Best regards,
Celeste

Hi this one is for the patients in the UK.
Guys,
I am looking for a book to learn more about this condition. I am hypo as I have
no gland.
I have seen on Amazon the one by Mary Shallom it this pertinent for the UK
market especially and the drugs are named differently also we cannot get some of
the meds that our US colleagues take. Any suggestions please contact me.
Is there any body on this list this taking thyroxin suspected in Olive Oil as
they believe they may have an intolerance to the make up of Normal thyroxin.
This mail sounds funny in a way as it sound like a singles column in the news
paper.
Lastly any idea how many members on this board please.
John C Uk
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HI
a few months ago I had a full blood profile, I need to find out if my Adrenal
glands were tested. What should I be looking for in my results that would
indicate the adrenal gland was playing up.
Many thanks
John C Uk
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" My thyroid gland is not enlarged (which rules out an autoimmune
disorder which is the most common reason for hypothyroidism).
"
Hi! I have my gland enlarged. I wonder which disorders do you include as
common reason for hypothyroidism. Thanks..
Nil

In a message dated Sun, 7 Jul 2002 1:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
skyqtee@... writes:
Hi Jan,
I'm appending a list of docs from the Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome website as ~in
general~ these docs tend to be more than Synthroid Nazis. I think they would be
open minded even if WTS isn't your particular diagnosis. Best thing I can
suggest is to call the office of a doc you want to go to and see if you can talk
to a nurse or PA there tofind out their philosphy on meds before you go in.
The doc I go to in Santa Monica is Dr. Keith DeOrio. His number is
310-828-3096. I recommend him; he's helped me a lot. I took some of the
doctor's names off who I knew were far from Orange Co. But my geography of CA
is not great; it's not my home state! So there may be some on the list that are
way out of range.
Good luck!
Linda in LA
Here's the list:
Dr. David Allen
2211 Corinth Ave., #204
Los Angeles, CA 90064
(310) 966-9194
Jacqueline Carson, N.D.
2496 E Street, Suite 300
San Diego, CA 92102
(619) 236-8285
Robert Cathcart, MD
127 2nd St., Unit #4
Los Altos, CA 94022
(650) 949-2822
Patricia Deckert, DO
1347 Tavern Rd.
Alpine, CA 91901-3820
(619) 445-6551
Dr. Keith DeOrio
1821 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 100
Santa Monica, CA 90403
(310) 828-3096
Dr. Robert Dreibelbis
13420 Newport Ave.
Tustin, CA 92780
(714) 544-6050
Geoffrey V. Drew, MD, FAAFP
430 E. Ave. de los Arboles #203
Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
805-492-1015
David Freeman, MD
PMS Treatment Clinic
150 N. Santa Anita, #755
Arcadia, CA 91006
800-999-3767
John K. Gerard, MD
NuLife Medical Center
8881 Fletcher Parkway, #255
La Mesa, CA 91942
619-337-9993
Dr. Richard Gracer
5401 Norris Canyon Road, Suite 102
San Ramon, CA 94583
(925) 277-1100
Kent Holtorf, M.D.
1125 South Beverly Dr., Suite 600
Beverly Hills, CA 90035
310-541-7115
Jace Medical Group
10843 Magnolia Blvd., #1
North Hollywood, CA
David Mitzner, D.O.
Vintage Medical Group
27625 Jefferson Ave., Suite 101
Temecula, CA 92590
909-676-3748
Dr. Larry Peterson
31 Winham St.
Salinas, CA 93901
(831) 771-0244
Hitendra Shah, MD
22807 Barton
Grand Terrace, CA 92313
(909) 783-2773
Dr. Ernest Thomas
777 Knowles Drive
Los Gatos, CA 95030
408-378-2552
James T. Webber, MD
5059 Newport Ave., Suite 205
San Diego, CA 92107
(619) 224-3225
Dr. Ronald Wempen
14795 Jeffrey Rd., Suite 101
Irvine, CA 92618
(949) 551-8751
Dr. Yang's Family Care
10201 Mission Gorge Rd.
Santee, CA 92071
619-596-4965

In a message dated 7/8/2002 5:59:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
serena_greene@... writes:
Serena,
It is curious that you developed hypoT after all the estrogen doses.
Estrogen is antagonist to thyroid hormone. You can read about that in John
Lee's book about woman and hormones. I can't remember the exact title.
Someone here will likely know it. But, it's something like What Your Doctor
Won't Tell You About Hormones.
I'm not implying I think you need zero estrogen. But it is a tricky balance
to strike between too much estrogen, having the thyroid gland slow down and
getting just enough to allow the hormone systems to work together. Plus,
there are other reprodcutive hormones to consider in this mix besides just
estrogen, which is one thing a lot of strictly allopathic docs don't seem to
get--estrogen ISN"T the whole story! Maybe getting some progesterone in you
would help. A cream or sublingual tablet could make some difference. For
myself I tend to be estrogen dominant a lot of the time and I really take it
in my thyroid unless I balance that out with progesterone.
Linda in LA

Mickey,
Looking into Wilson's Thyroid Syndrom is a good suggestion. In
addition, here are some other things to consider.
How are you storing your Synthroid? The best way to keep it stable is
by putting it in the refrigerator. If you allow the medication to get
too warm it will start breaking down and losing potency.
Do you take your Synthroid at the same time of day every day? Do you
always take it on an empty stomach? If you're not doing both then you
will probably not be absorbing enough of your medication.
With regard to your exercise program, have you considered the
possiblility that you might be overtraining? If you're not taking one
or two days off from exercise each week then your body will not be
able to rebuild after all the breakdown caused by your exercise.
Much aloha,
Celeste

I was wondering if anyone knows why a thyroid would suddenly stop
producing T4 & T3?
I had a physical in April and all of my blood work was terrific. I
may I started to noticed that I was tired, bloated, leg cramping,
constipated, forgetful (more than normal), irritable(sp?). At first
I thought it was because my estrogen levels were too low (I recently
had a total hysterectomy and my GYN was working on getting my
estrogen levels up to normal, the patch didn't work so I'm on
estrogen pellets). I went back in June and it seemed my estrogen
levels were fine and he gave me some medication for the bloating,
irritableness, etc.). When I came back for a follow up I had lost
10lbs of bloat, and everything else was better, but I was still
exteremely tired (have never slept so much and been this tired). I
had fallen asleep and hit a car, falling a sleep at work, falling a
sleep while eating, etc. and cold all the time. So he did some blood
test and I came back with low thyroid levels, he has started me on
synthroid (50 mg) and I'm to come later this month to check blood
levels. I have only been taking it for a week, but am told it takes
a while to be effective. I am still exteremly tired.
- I have no family history of thyroid failure
- My thyroid gland is not enlarged (which rules out an autoimmune
disorder which is the most common reason for hypothyroidism).
- It stopped working exteremely fast (i.e. 1 month it was perfect the
next month not)
- I have lost 7 more pounds (probably because I'm too tired to eat,
why eat when you can sleep?)

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--- In hypothyroidism@y..., "raeyost" <raeyost@y...
i havent gotten any feedback on this yet. could the gagging be from
soemthing pressing on my throat? or the high prolactin levels? anyone
ahve any theories?

Hi Jan,
I belong to another board for A/fib irregular heart beat I am now cured of this
and I have been left hypo by the drugs they used on me very early on in my
treatment that caused to go mad and be removed.
this old chestnut seems to be doing the rounds I think its been put out by the
dentists, on the Afib board we have about Six months of patient saying they were
having all there teeth redone and there was no noticeable difference.
I have had all my filling changed but for cosmetic reasons from amalgams to
white filling and this did not stop my Afib or my troubles with Thyroxin.
John C
Ps I do know that one or two dentists gets a condition somewhat like MS this is
caused by mixing the Amalgam preparation up but you have to do this for a long
time and not take any precautions.
I recently read an article by Bernie Windham who is a chemist and
has studied heavy metal toxicity for over 20 years. He claims
that hypothyroidism can be caused by heavy metal toxicity.
I would like to know how many of you have root canals, amalgams
or crowns?
Thanks in Advance
-Jan
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Hi every body here is my diary for this week.
The purpose of this diary is to try and generate comments, ideas and to see if
other members of this board have the same symptoms as I am experiencing
I help to run another board for Afib thankfully I have had a procedure in France
that has relived me of this condition and I am now drug free.
When the Afib board was started over three years ago, most if not all of the
patients complained when there heart went into Af they would get the Big P, all
the Drs at that time said it was nothing to do with AF but now research has
found that when you heart goes into AF from NSR, the heart emits a
enzyme that causes your kidneys to produce more urine.
These are the thing that I am trying to stimulate on this board I hope you dont
mind. Me sharing my thoughts ideas and please feel free to contact me with any
suggestions etc.
Most if not all of the symptoms I am describing I am being told by my endo that
it's not Hypo but in my mind. Here goes for this week's diary. Please enjoy,
I had one of the worst weeks ever, I have been short of breath for most of the
week, I would take my 1/4 grain of Armour on rising and felt ok then about 11am
I would take my 50 MCR of normal thyroxin and with in 20 minutes I would be shot
of breath. I have no appetite at all and I want to do is
sleep. I tried the ritual with Normal Thyroxin and armour but the same result.
I have this terrible tightness in my neck, so much so that when driving I cannot
turn my head to the right, my finger tips feel cold and my head feels so empty,
Yesterday Saturday I tried to go shopping with my wife and had to go home as I
felt so tired, on reaching home I just got on the sofa and slept for 30 mins not
bad really but when I woke up I just could not budge an inch and watched for
over an hour two ants on the patio window running around. My
poor wife she is doing all the housework and I feel so guilty no help, just a
hindrance.
This morning I woke at 7am but could not get up so I just stayed there trying to
formulate a plan of action to attack the Drs next time I see them. I cannot
stand another sentence " take this your feel better and come back in six weeks.
Our summer is so precious here in the UK and I am missing it.
Why after two years with out this gland was I ok ? Then when coming of the
Warfarin did it all go wrong, the pains in the wrist, the calf pains, the back
pains and oh the neck pains can it be my mind , I dont think so, I cursed the Dr
once again like I do every morning and afternoon, that he took
out my thyroid and said you will be as right as rain all you need to do is take
thyroxin,,,
I went through my tablets and went through what I thought may be causing my
problems, one day its t3 and the next it adrenals.
Today it T3 as I have worked out many times that when I take Armour I feel a
little bit better, if I take to much my skin breaks and my mouth break out in
Ulcers. I have now developed a twitch in my face and pins and needles in my
cheek. This I can only put down to as too much T3, I understand that
Armour has a much higher concentration of T3 that human Thyroxin OH my tongue is
red raw just like I have been licking something rough as you use to when a
child. In my deep self diagnoses mode, I remembered that a normal dose of
thyroxin for me is 100mcr and 125 mcr on alternate days. It suddenly
clicked perhaps I need to take more,
Today I managed to take 75mg of normal thyroxin and 1/4 grain of armour. Boy!!!
I felt terrible all day very short and tense and I had to keep away from my wife
just Incas I went mad at her. About 6pm it all started to wear off, at least the
neck pains are a little bit better.
My shortness of breath has gone , I had recently come back from Spain where I
bought some t4 I stopped taking this yesterday and the shortness of breath has
gone, my Endo says it has nothing to do with what Thyroxin you take,,, This is a
weird one as the ingredients Are the same as English tablets.
I finally got out of bed at 10 am . my plans now is to see my GP on the 15 July
and ask for T3 @12 mcr and 75 mcr of t4 dont asked me how I worked this out but
my maths worked out ok in bed. I have a regular check up with my Cardio, they
cannot believe that in my difficult case as mine the French
Prof has sorted me out ok.. They must believe in his work now, as this clinic
has sent a few patients over to Bordeaux where I went to back in May 2001. I
will have a word with the Cardio and see what he thinks, give credit where its
due he suggested when I first saw them and complained that it
sound like hypo , it just trying to convince the ENDO. then I have the
Complementary DR who is keen on the Armour and all else fails there is a Dr
Skinner here in the UK who seems to have good results..
my big worry is being allergic to the contents of the tablet, I have seen that
some places make up Thyroxin in Olive Oil, that going to be a night mare with
logistics trying to get this drug here in the UK.
So by all accounts by September I should be done the gym working out , I keep in
touch with you all.
Best regards
John C England
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I recently read an article by Bernie Windham who is a chemist and
has studied heavy metal toxicity for over 20 years. He claims
that hypothyroidism can be caused by heavy metal toxicity.
I would like to know how many of you have root canals, amalgams
or crowns?
Thanks in Advance
-Jan

Hi Folks!
Does anyone know of any good doctors that are in California who
know about thyroid and adrenal dysfunction and also use natural
meds as well as have knowledge on synthetic hormones?
Thanks in Advance
-Jan
I am located in Orange County thanks.

In a message dated 7/5/2002 9:08:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
louise_d_49009@... writes:
Louise,
HOORAAAAYYYY!!! This is SUCH good news! I'm with you all the way on the
docs who have a more alternative bent! The doc I go to, though an MD, is
also a homeopath and an acupuncturist. He has been the first good thing to
come along for my hypothyroidism in 30 stinking years. He lets me tell him
how I'm feeling and what I need next from him and then we do it. No more
patronizing. No more withholding medicine. No more telling me I'm making
everything up from hair loss to freezing feet. Not to wonder I'm finally
getting well and have my life back!!
Here's a cheer to all others on this list: Keep looking for someone equally
kind and competent to assist you on your healing journey!
All the best!
Linda in LA

Does anyone remember the last "cure" for any disease? The last cure
I can remember is Polio. Why cure anything, just keep people half
well so people keep coming back for more pills. I feel as though I am
on a conveyor belt when I see a doc. Doc's run people through,
prescribe a pill, grab the money and be home in time to play golf. I
found a wonderful homeopath D.O. he has opened my eyes to a lot of
real healing. HE LISTENS TO ME. He is not out for the $$$ and he
will work around your income as far as vitamins etc.. I could spend
a ton of money to get the maximum beneift, however he will tell me
what will help until I can afford all the stuff. He has a great
staff and two nurses, I can call any time and talk to a real person,
I can get an answer to my question within a day. I am on thyrolar
and am doing well, a few symptoms yet but things are going well. In
fact, I got in my car turned on the air conditioning and said to
myself, "somethings different". MY FEET WERE WARM! THE FIRST TIME IN
57 YEARS. I will say a prayer to all of you that you find a
reputible homeopath, the only way to go.
Louise

In a message dated 7/5/2002 8:03:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Altamesa1@... writes:
Hi Mickey!
I hope you are having an enjoyable Fourth weekend!
What you are describing--the feeling better initially on synthroid, then
feeling worse again--is talked about in an approach to hypothyroidism
designed by Dr. Denis Wilson. He calls this pattern Wilson's Thyroid
Syndrome. And it comes from (he theorizes) too much unconverted T4 floating
around in the system. In order to do any good, T4, the more stable form of
thyroid hormone has to be converted into T3 in order to do the work of
telling your body how fast to operate, how much heat to produce, how much
hormone, digestive secretions, etc., to make. Why your doc gave you,
synthroid, a medicine that contains only T4, when you already are high in T4,
I can't imagine! But I think you are right to question him/her or to look
for another professional to help you with this.
Here's the link to read more about Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome: <A
HREF="wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com"
wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com</A
treatment. It has been very successful in my case.
I'm appending a list of doctors in TX. Maybe you'll find one near you.
These are the docs from the WTS list so even if WTS isn't your diagnosis,
these docs should be more open minded, flexible, and forward looking in their
treatment options for hypothyroidism.
Good luck and let us know how you're doing!
Linda in LA
Dr. Kevin Amen
2313 NW Military Hwy. #117
San Antonio, TX 78231
(210) 525-0096
Robert Baylis, DO
Moody Health Center
5912 Spencer Hwy.
Pasadena, TX 77505
281-487-1505
Richard Becker, DO
1130 Beltline Rd.
Garland, TX 75040
(972) 530-8688
Dr. Lawrence Cohen
2515 Mccullough Ave
San Antonio, TX 78212-3509
(210) 733-0990
Dr. Roby Mitchell
3501 Soncy, Suite 110
Amarillo, TX 79121
(806) 467-9824
Dr. Lane Sebring
The Y Center, Suite 11
Ranch Road 12
Wimberley, TX 78676
(512) 847-1011
Barbara Wilson, MD
1600 S. Coulter B217
Amarillo, TX 79106
806-355-1614

I have recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I actually broke out in
hives after doing aerobic exercise which led to allergy testing which showed
no allergic reaction to anything but rather high T4 (I think) levels. I was
directed to my GP who has prescribed Synthroid. I have now been taking
Synthroid for a few months. Initially I started feeling better but am now
feeling very sluggish and just plain blah! I am a 44-year-old female who
exercises diligently (3 miles of running 3 days a week plus 45 minutes of
weight training 4 days a week) and I eat "normal". I am not losing weight
and in fact have put on a few extra pounds. It doesn't make sense, which
leads me to conclude that my thyroid treatment isn't what it should be. So
far the only doctor I have seen has been my GP. Perhaps I should see someone
who specializes in this. I live in Houston. Does anyone have a
recommendation of a doctor in the Houston area (preferably the west side of
town)? Any other suggestions? I just want to feel better and get myself in
shape! Thanks.
Mickey

I'm just curious if there are any other Atlanta people on here that
maybe aren't very talkative but here.
If you are, please let me know. I'm looking to switch my doctor and
would really like to get some advice on another doctor.
Thanks,
Renee

Hi,
Does anyone know if there is any connection between
hypothyroid and
anemia?
The osteopathic doctor I went to a few days ago thinks
there is a good
chance I am anemic and I having lab tests done to find
out.
I am diabetic and diabetics, I have discovered, are at
risk for anemia.
Interestingly, many of the symptoms for anemia are
similar to symptoms
for hypothyroid.
Jim

All
I found this on the net today at last they might be listing to us.
June 2002 -- The 21st Joint Meeting of the British Endocrine Societies in April
2002 was the occasion for a surprising about-face from Anthony Toft, one of the
UK's most prominent thyroid experts, as he expressed an apparent shift in
opinion on the use of T3 as part of hypothyroidism treatment.
Toft went from being a sometimes adamant opponent of the use of supplemental T3
as a thyroid therapy, to indicating that the addition of T3 may in fact be the
superior therapy. According to Toft's presentation at the meeting, animal
thyroid extract was introduced in the late 1800s. He claims that
due to "variable potency," it was widely replaced by synthetic T4 from the
1960s, but that doses tended to be higher - in the 200-400 micrograms daily
level - as a way to compensate for lack of T3, because a "significant minority
of patients only achieve the desired sense of well-being if serum TSH
is suppressed." According to Toft, a dose of 100-150 mcg. daily would in reality
be enough to restore TSH alone to normal levels. The elevated dose needed for
better patient well-being, however, increases the risk of osteoporosis, atrial
fibrillation, and heart disease. According to Toft: patients
who became hypothyroid after hyperthyroidism who take a T4-only drug gain more
weight than those who do not become hypothyroid. in studies of hypothyroid
rats, it was found that it was possible to restore universal tissue euthyroidism
(normal circulating thyroid hormone levels) only using a
combination of T3 and T4 and not on T4 alone in patients on long-term T4
therapy who were given an equivalent combination of T3 and T4 scored better in
various neurological and psychological tests. According to Toft, "It would
appear that the treatment of hypothyroidism is about to come full
circle." It would appear that the treatment of hypothyroidism is about to come
full circle... --Anthony Toft This is a dramatic departure from Toft's
editorial, in the February 11, 1999 isssue of the New England Journal of
Medicine <http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/t3drugsnejm.htm
"Thyroid Hormone Replacement - One Hormone or Two?" This editorial accompanied
the groundbreaking research published in that same issue of the journal that
found that the majority of patients feel best with the addition of T3, findings
which were controversial to endocrinologists, but already
well-known to patients and holistic thyroid experts. In his editorial, Toft
claimed that one of the reasons physicians should not add the T3 hormone to the
treatment until study findings are confirmed by additional research, was, as he
claimed: ...most, if not all, of the currently available
combined preparations of thyroid hormones contain an excess of triiodothyronine
as compared with thyroxine. To say that this was a reason not to advocate the
use of T3 was highly illogical. It is true that Thyrolar and the natural
desiccated T4/T3 products (such as Armour and Naturethroid) have a
higher percentage of T3 than that used by the researchers in their study. But
Cytomel, a T3-only drug, was and is readily available, and compounding
pharmacies almost anywhere can easily prepare time-released T3. In his
editorial, Toft also claimed that the desiccated thyroid extracts were
"considered obsolete for some time by all but a few practitioners, who are often
thought by their colleagues to be practicing on the fringes of medicine." Toft
also argued that the majority of patients taking thyroxine "have no complaints
about their medication." Here, Toft was actually directly
contradicting the findings of iresearch conducted by the Thyroid Foundation of
America that showed that the majority of post-Graves' disease hypothyroid
patients still suffered a variety of symptoms when on levothyroxine. Until this
seeming reversal of his previous opinions, Dr. Toft has been a
quite active proponent of the "normal range constitutes treatment" philosophy of
hypothyroid management that has left so many countless millions of patients
undiagnosed, undertreated, or maltreated. It's encouraging to see that someone
who was so clearly not in tune with the needs of thyroid
patients has "seen the light" so to speak, and realizes that sometimes, patients
do know best, and that some of the best patient care may actually be taking
place on the "fringes of medicine!" Sources: Toft, Anthony. "T3/T4
combination therapy," Endocrine Abstracts , 3 S40,
<http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0003/ea0003s40.htm
"Thyroid Hormone Replacement - One Hormone or Two?" New England Journal of
Medicine, Volume 340:468-470 February 11, 1999 Number 6. Bunevicius, et. al.,
"Effects of Thyroxine as Compared with Thyroxine plus
Triiodothyronine in Patients with Hypothyroidism" New England Journal of
Medicine, Volume 340: February 11, 1999 Number 6. (For more information, read:
T3 Triiodothyronine Drugs Improve Quality of Life for Hypothyroidism
<http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/t3drugsnejm.htm
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Hi,
I'm a new member in this group... I'm a mother with 7 mos babygirl.
Few days ago, I just found out that my baby suffered hypothyroidism
for her blood test.
I would like to know if there's someone with the same experience and
would like to share it with me. And I also very worried about my
baby height development... I'm afraid that she will be different :(
Regards,
Feby

In a message dated 7/1/2002 9:17:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
karlynn17@... writes:
Hi Karen!
I'm just back from two weeks vacation! Swamped w/ work and haven't had time
to read my email! Thanks for missing me and saying so! Glad to be back!
Linda

Unfortunately it is not a case of "mind over matter"
but positive thinking is still good.
Ron

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Hi to the Gang,
Just to bring you up to date on what is going on with me and perhaps try and get
some ideas for you on what I should do. I decided to start a weekly dairy at
lest for the next six weeks until I se my Dr again to try and make some sense
on what is going wrong with me.
I canto believe that I am the only person in the world that cannot take
Thyroxin and also have problems with Armour. well here goes and I hope its is of
some interest to you.
Background
Way back in 1994 I was dianosed with A/fib a irregular heart condition this is
treated with various MEd some with very powerful side effects,. One of these was
Amiodaone. It destroyed my thyroid and I had this removed in October 1999.
Almost at once I started noticing side effects when taking the heart medications
. then I started coming up against the various treating Drs. Its not the
Thyroxin its your heart medication nd vica versa. Thank GOD for a miracle and
via the NET I found a DR in France and went over there in May 2000 and had a
pulmonary Vein ablation in lay mans terms they stuck a Catheter in my heart and
burnt some heart muscle away that was causing my problems. All was well and in
September last year I was free of any heart meds with the exception of Warfarin
that stopped in October.
Some time after stopping this I noticed I started getting cramps in my Calves so
much so I had to [ack up Thi Chi also I noticed a lack of energy. I reported
this to my GP who said this sound like low thyroid. I had the blood test and it
was stop on with in normal range. I tried taking more thyroxin but to no avail.
I went to the hospital to see a Cardiologist and he said it sound like low
thyroxin and took a number of blood tests all normal.
This year in Jan/ Feb things started to get worse, I was getting very depressed
and miserable and my body was full of cramp, I also found that my lungs were so
itchy that I could not breath. I could or did not want to get out of bed and I
started to worry a lot what is going wrong.
I went to a complementary Dr I found on the UK thyroid support group. He
suggested Armour. all my blood test were perfect etc.
I started on 1 grain of Armour. well its like rocket fuel I really mean this. I
fund for the first few days I had so much energy I could not stop 5 hour sleep
at night and toes wriggling it was sort of great. Then I found I could not
breath and I was very short of breath.
I had another blood test and I found that my T3 was elevated to 11.1 too high I
was informed.
I cut down to 1/4 grain back up by 50mg of normal t4, blood tests were taken
but I was told the TSH was too high 3.2 I was asked to stay as I am for 6 weeks
and see how I got on. I found that my neck was stiff on the left side . Pins and
needles in the fingers and sometime in the face, my wrists were sore and the
good old pain the calf had returned.
I thought a softly softly approach was needed a seeing all your post this is not
a thing that can clear up in weeks maybe months or even years,
I decided to try 1/2 grain of Armour and 1/2 of a 25mg of t4. again the first
two days were great. Monday morning I was up at 5am putting all my wife's
ironing way from the previous night.
I now notice that my mouth has broken out in ulcers, and my skin is burning I do
suffer with very mild excema but this has broken out.
I am not sure if I should carry on or revert back down to the low does of Armour
and wait and see, or carry on for a bit to see it I will get use to this regime.
AS I started this message I cannot believe that I am the only one suffering
from this I am sure there must be something in my body that its craving but what
is it.
One good thing my mind has gone back to normal and the glass is now half full
and not half empty.!!!
I will carry on in a few lines next week, if that is ok with the group
take care and wish me luck
john C
Uk
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very good advice Hope!!!!
Hugs,
Debbie