Ron,
I think Celeste is right. It says if it causes upset stomach take with food
or milk. I can understand how is could be misunderstood or misread, but I
agree with her. I don't think the website was very clear in it's
explanation at all.
Karen
Karen,
I'll buy that.:)
Ron
Hi Marie, you might feel a lot better on compounded hormones identical to
the ones our bodies make. Look at www.womensinternational.com and you can
get a doctor referral there to find someone who knows about hormones. Are
you sure you are on enough thyroid hormone for your symptoms?
Gracia
Celeste,
If you look down the page (I just copied it here) to
the asterisks, that I have added, you will see the
rest of it. This is the same url.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682461.html
I'll give you the last word.
Ron
Why is this medication prescribed?
Levothyroxine, a thyroid hormone, is used to treat
hypothyroidism, a condition where the thyroid gland
does not produce enough thyroid hormone. Without this
hormone, the body cannot function properly, resulting
in poor growth, slow speech, lack of energy, weight
gain, hair loss, dry thick skin, and increased
sensitivity to cold. When taken correctly,
levothyroxine reverses these symptoms. Levothyroxine
also is used to treat congenital hypothyroidism
(cretinism) and goiter (enlarged thyroid gland).
This medication is sometimes prescribed for other
uses; ask your doctor or pharmacist for more
information.
How should this medicine be used?
Levothyroxine comes as a tablet to take by mouth. It
usually is taken as a single dose before breakfast
every day. To control the symptoms of hypothyroidism,
you probably will need to take this medicine for the
rest of your life. It may take about 2 weeks before
you notice any change in your symptoms. Follow the
directions on your prescription label carefully, and
ask your doctor or pharmacist to explain any part you
do not understand. Take levothyroxine exactly as
directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it
more often than prescribed by your doctor.
Continue to take levothyroxine even if you feel well.
Do not stop taking levothyroxine without talking to
your doctor.
What special precautions should I follow?
Before taking levothyroxine,
tell your doctor and pharmacist if you are allergic to
levothyroxine, thyroid hormone, any other drugs,
povidone iodine, tartrazine (a yellow dye in some
processed foods and drugs), or foods such as lactose
or corn starch. Levothroid and Eltroxin contain
lactose, while Synthroid contains tartrazine and
povidone. Eltroxin contains corn starch.
tell your doctor and pharmacist what prescription and
nonprescription medications you are taking, especially
amphetamines; antacids; anticoagulants ('blood
thinners') such as warfarin (Coumadin);
antidepressants or anti-anxiety agents; arthritis
medicine; aspirin; beta-blockers such as metoprolol
(Lopressor, Toprol), propranolol (Inderal) or timolol
(Blocadren, Timoptic); cancer chemotherapy agents;
cholesterol-lowering resins such as cholestyramine
(Questran) or colestipol (Colestid); diabetes
medications (insulin and tablets); digoxin (Lanoxin);
estrogens; iron; methadone; oral contraceptives;
phenytoin (Dilantin); sodium polystrene sulfonate
(Kayexalate); sucralfate (Carafate); steroids;
theophylline (TheoDur); and vitamins.
if you take cholestyramine (Questran) or colestipol
(Colestid), take it at least 4 hours before or 1 hour
after taking levothyroxine.
tell your doctor if you have or have ever had
diabetes; hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis);
kidney disease; hepatitis; cardiovascular disease such
as high blood pressure, chest pain (angina),
arrhythmias, or heart attack; or an underactive
adrenal or pituitary gland.
tell your doctor if you are pregnant, plan to become
pregnant or are breast-feeding. If you become pregnant
while taking levothyroxine, call your doctor.
if you have surgery, including dental surgery, tell
the doctor or dentist that you are taking
levothyroxine.
* What special dietary instructions should I follow?
* Levothyroxine may cause an upset stomach. Take
* levothyroxine with food or milk.
What should I do if I forget a dose?
Take the missed dose as soon as you remember it.
However, if it is almost time for the next dose, skip
the missed dose and continue your regular dosing
schedule. Do not take a double dose to make up for a
missed one.
[snip]
Ron,
That is great information. Thank you.
Take care,
Renee
Hi Debbie,
I rotate brands because then I don't get bored, and also because different
brands have different ingredients. Two brands that I use are in the grocery
stores, (Traditional Medicinals and Celestial Seasonings.) I also get some from
the local health food stores, but can't offhand remember the brand names. Some
are better tasting than others, so try several if you can. Some ingredients to
look for are milk thistle, dandelion, licorice, oregon grape root, marshmallow
root, fringetree and others. Have a great day!
Take care,
Renee
Anyone here ever used Irish Moss? It's another herb that is
supposedly helpful to the thyroid.
Renee
HI Renee!!
I love your name!! :-) I was wondering? What is the name of the Detox
tea you drink and where do you buy it?? I think that helping along the liver
is a very good thing to do especially with a thyroid problem! Thanks in
advance!!
Debbie
so what you are saying its better to take it later
than when you first get up
Don't know if this has been posted before.
http://www.krispin.com/thyroid.html
RonT
Hi,
I am new here at this support group. I am hypothyroid for the last 4
years after having Graves Disease for 21 years till RIA to obliterate
my thyroid gland. Noticed reading about premerin and bloating of
stomache... I take large doses of this for severe hormone deficiency,
as well as calcium for osteo/arthiritis. Am on Armour since April
since Levoxyl too much brain fog, letheragy, weight gain, etc.... my
questions are ...
what alternative measure for any of the side affects of premerin,
also to find out more about the calcium and whatever else that can be
of help to me on the weight loss issues.
Thanks... Marie
Renee,
I think that having good liver function is very important since most
of the body's T3 is made in the liver. Periodically I take the herb
milk thistle (aka silymarin) to promote good liver function.
Best wishes,
Celeste
Ron,
Where did you get this information? The label on the bottle of my
medication (which is a brand of levothyroxine) says to take it on an
empty stomach. Taking it with food or milk can interfere with
absorption and result in a person not getting the full dose.
Best wishes,
Celeste
Jim,
That was me. My husband has been in Korea for a week now. He was able
to phone me briefly on Sunday (they allowed the call as part of the
Morale and Welfare program) and I was so happy to hear from him.
Thank you so much for thinking of me and including me in your prayers.
May God bless you always!
Much aloha,
Celeste
HELLO ALL: THe other days i took my levothyroxin at about 10AM in the
morning and i've noticed that my metabolism increased but not so much, now i
take mine at first thing in the morning when i wake up about 7AM sometimes
at 6AM and now my metabolic rate is high the whole day, i am eating about
2000 calories a day versus 1500 calories of last week
Juan Carlos
Hi Renee, (nice name ;))
I think if you do a cleanse, do an intestinal cleanse first, then do the kidney
and liver cleanse/detox. I have done all three. I drink a (detox) tea each
morning too, and try to take an herbal liver tonic (tincure) most days. I feel
it helps my liver, and since I take meds, drink alcohol, ingest some pesticides
that are on foods, (can't be avoided completely) etc, I feel I need to help the
ol liver some. The liver has more functions (I think) than any organ, and when
it is not filtering our system well, (everything gets filtered thru our liver,)
all of the other supporting organs have to work harder to do their job,
(kidneys, colon, gallbladder, pancreas, etc.) I'm sure alot of people don't
believe in cleanses/detoxes. It's an individual thing. ;)
Take care,
Renee
Hi all,
Has anyone here ever used a liver detoxer or other detoxer? As a
hypothyroid individual, do you think they had an affect on you? If
so, what were the results? Is there one that is more important to do
than the other( like a general cleansing verses just a liver cleanse)?
I'm just trying to figure out if doing a liver cleanse or other
cleanse would be good for me as a hypothyroid patient.
Thanks,
Renee
Hi Juan,
How should this medicine be used?
Levothyroxine comes as a tablet to take by mouth. It
usually is taken as a single dose before breakfast
every day. To control the symptoms of hypothyroidism,
you probably will need to take this medicine for the
rest of your life. It may take about 2 weeks before
you notice any change in your symptoms. Follow the
directions on your prescription label carefully, and
ask your doctor or pharmacist to explain any part you
do not understand. Take levothyroxine exactly as
directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it
more often than prescribed by your doctor.
Continue to take levothyroxine even if you feel well.
Do not stop taking levothyroxine without talking to
your doctor.
What special dietary instructions should I follow?
Levothyroxine may cause an upset stomach. Take
levothyroxine with food or milk.
Ron
HELLO ALL: I have a question. At what time should i take my levothyroxin
medicine? Some people say first thing in the morning, but i am asking this
just to make sure which is the right time or best time for my body to absorv
this wonderful medicine to aid my thyroid
Juan Carlos Cruz
As a result of your post I did look up the Reuters
story at:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=sciencenews&StoryID=1313732
I've never been able to drink that much water and
always wondered if I was failing myself by not doing
so. Thanks for that.
Ron
--- jimchristianhall <jimchristianhall@...
Hi - Has anyone else read the following news report today? What do you think
about it? Jim
No Need to Guzzle All That Water, Expert Says
Fri Aug 9, 7:40 PM ET
By Maggie Fox, Health and
Science Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
Trying to do the "right" thing by drinking eight full glasses of
water a day may do little
more than make a person run to the bathroom, a researcher said
on Friday.
Newspaper articles, health and beauty magazines all advise
drinking at least 8 full glasses of water a day totaling 64
ounces for optimal health -- an approach called "8x8" by
proponents.
But Dr. Heinz Valtin of Dartmouth Medical School in New
Hampshire said there is no scientific evidence to back up this
advice, which has helped create a huge market for bottled
water.
"After 10 months of careful searching I have found no
scientific evidence that supports '8x8'," Valtin, who has
written textbooks on the subject of human water balance,
said in a telephone interview.
Writing in the American
Journal of Physiology, Valtin, a kidney specialist, said people
forget that the food they
eat also contains some water.
The Food and Nutrition
Board of the National Research Council ( news - web sites) has
recommended that people
take in about one milliliter of water for each calorie of food
eaten.
This adds up to two
liters, or 74 fluid ounces on an average 2,000-calorie diet. But the
National Research Council
also noted that much of this is already contained in food.
"I did 43 years of
research on that system -- the osmoregulatory system. That system is
so precise and so fast
that I find it impossible to believe that evolution left us with a chronic
water deficit," Valtin
said.
LOW ON FLUID
If a person gets low on
fluid, the body compensates by bringing fluid back out of the
kidneys and by slowing
the loss of water through the skin, Valtin said. Thirst kicks in long
before dehydration
starts, he added.
"It does it very quickly
and very accurately and it does so in minutes," Valtin said.
He said he and colleagues
became concerned after seeing dozens of newspaper and
magazine articles urging
people to sip water all day. "I started talking to my colleagues and
asking them 'Do you know
of any evidence for this?'. Invariably, they said, 'No I think it's a
myth'," Valtin said.
The journal asked him to
review all the scientific studies he could find and he concluded that
someone misinformed has
been telling people to drink large amounts of water when most
do not need to.
"I am referring to
healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary
existence," Valtin said.
"Persons with certain diseases must have large volumes of water
-- kidney stones are
probably the most common example."
The rest can just drink
enough to slake thirst -- and this includes coffee, tea, and even beer
-- despite their diuretic
effects, Valtin said.
He hopes people will be
relieved of the guilt of not getting enough water, and of the
expense of buying bottled
water to drink throughout the day.
"There is also the
possibility that if you drink a lot of water that happens to be polluted
then of course you get
more pollutants," Valtin said.
"Then there is the
inconvenience of constant urination, the embarrassment of having to go
to the bathroom all the
time," he added.
And overdoses of water
can cause water intoxication that can lead to confusion and even
death. Water intoxication
is one deadly effect of taking the drug Ecstasy, for instance,
because it makes people
thirsty beyond their physical needs.
HI Everyone ,
i am joing your group to learn more about why i stay tired all the
time
here is alittle about me i have hyprothyroidism that caused a goiter
wich
has gone down but i have stayed so tired... and i alos have chiari
malformation ,
pseudotumor cerebri with a lp shunt wich has been revised three time
i had a icp monotor before my decompression surgery to make sure my
preshures in my head was lowenough to go ahead with the surgery and
it was .. now all i can do is stay tired...
if anyone has all these symptoms how do you know if you are going
hydorciffilas (sp?) or if your thyroid is underactive.. help me..
misty i also have essential tremors...
Hi,
I will keep this as brief as possible and I apologize for it being off-topic.
But
please bear with me.
I am in four discussion groups; I am getting old; I have diabetes,
hypothyroidism
and pernicious anemia. I tell you this to explain my poor memory.
But I believe someone on THIS board (I could be wrong) told of her husband
who is in one of the Armed Forces being sent off to Korea and that she was
upset and already missing him.
That post has been on my mind off and on for the last couple of days and,
frankly, this person has been on my heart. My wife and I have been married
for nearly 25 years and the longest we have had to spend apart is one week.
I don't know what I'd do if she was sent away to another country for months
at a time!
I just want to tell the person who posted that message that my prayers are with
both her and her husband. Also, I want to THANK both she and her husband for
the
great sacrifices they are making to help protect all of us living here in the
U.S.
God bless, Jim Hall
I can't vouch for the accuracy but for anyone
interested:
http://www.autism.com/ari/mercurylong.html
Since it is off topic I'll make it short.
Ron
Hi,
No offense taken (re: message below). Anyone who wants to help this family
by contributing directly to the official trust fund set up for then can send a
check to:
The Pamela Sue Lochard Trust
c/o National City Bank
102 South Harrison St.
Shelbyville, Indiana 46176
Thanks, Jim Hall
I only said that(about
media and local officials)
because you didn't share
that
information..we all help
need to help each
other-that IS the way it is
supposed
to be....10,000 dollars isn't
much.....and shouldn't take
long to raise.
But-How much is needed
for the extermination?
Counseling for the
children..I
doubt they want to go
back to that home.
Do NOT take that in a
negative form... I was only
trying to help. That is why
I said go to the Media....
Media seems to spread the word. And as
sad as the
story IS--- my thoughts are with your
friends...and I commend you for your
efforts in trying to help them.
My Check is on the way-can you post the
address of the bank the trust fund is
set up in..
Hello,
The question has been raised (in an indirect way), Why
try to seek contributions for a family in need on
this board? Why not only seek this help in your local
community? Here are answers:
1. No local governmental or public welfare entity has
shown any indication so far that they will help this
family.
2. This family needs at least $10,000 to be able to
get back into their home. So far, community
fund-raising efforts have only brought in about $500.
3. I consider this group to be a part of MY wider
"community."
4. People who have struggled with health conditions
like hypothyroidism generally have soft
hearts about helping people in need because they know
what it is like to face difficult circumstances
in life.
5. I knew I could reach hundreds of people with no
expense involved and only 10 minutes
of my time invested by posting here.
Thanks, Jim Hall
thankyou .....for i was not trying to attack jim on his story .....glad you
understand where im coming from ....and your right wendy ..i was going to
write back and ask why have they not conntacted the media yet? peace to
all Gail
Hi folks,
Yesterday, I posted a message about my fund-raising
efforts in behalf of a family of seven that has gone
through a major tragedy and lost their home.
Some folks posted that they believed my post to be a
"scam." It is a sad
commentary about the times we live in that people are
so skeptical, but I understand.
Unfortunately, there are people who do use the
internet for phony reasons.
Anyway, if others are skeptical, I request that you go
to Shelbynews.com. Under the weather
forecast on the upper left, there is a search window.
Type in "Lochard" and you will get a story
to read about this family. Within a day or two, there
should be second story telling about the
fund-raising efforts (it appeared in the newspaper
version today).
If anyone is interested in contributing financially to
help this displaced family of seven get back into
their home,
please e-mail me at jimchristianhall@... and I
will tell you where to send a check.
Thanks, Jim Hall
Jim,
Sorry to hear about the unfortunate circumstance that your neighbor is
having--However, the help that you need is not only right at your fingertips but
as a community effort to help this family. Most people that has been online for
years have heard stories like this one and although this one is true-- too many
people have cried wolf.
Check with:
1.Churches
2. Media-TV stations would help spread the word
3. Have a carwash or some type of community effort.. I see cans all the time set
up for someone in need of money for expences due to health problems.
4. Public Works...and contact the insurance again and again...there ARE
loopholes to get them to pay for such an expense.
It seems to me that the Bats would be of local concern--seeing they are a health
threat to not ONLY those people but the people of your community. Therefore the
town should help with the clean-up. Or even the health department.
Please keep us posted.....
Wendy
jimchristianhall wrote:"hi jim sorry but....i have no
proof that this is some kind
of scam ...nothing
against you but....i find this
story a little to hard to believe."
<
Hello,
That posting really bothered me because:
1. I have been posting here for a long time and I think people know
that I would never try to "scam" them.
2. This post is probably going to discourage people who might
want to contribute something to help this poor family.
3. Every word of the post I submitted about this family's plight
is 100 percent TRUE!
4. The reason that I suggested that people e-mail me first before
contributing is in case they had any questions about the post or
about me personally and my role in collecting financial funds for
them. Also, if anyone was reluctant to send a check to the
address I list, I was going to to give them the name and
address and phone number of the bank holding the Lochard Family
Trust Fund in my town.
5. I get bizarre e-mail messages often about contributing to some
charity that are bogus. But I wouldn't question a post like this from
someone who had participated in a discussion group I was in
regularly for several months.
This family needs HELP, not someone discouraging others from
contributing to aid them.
My wife went over to their rented little house today and took the
small children school supplies and little toys. The mother said that they
have been crying constantly about getting the painful shots and they
also fear that they won't be able to go home again. One little boy, Jonah,
age 4, is having nightmares every night about being bitten by a rabid bat
like his older brother.
Sign me "Disappointed," Jim Hall
Hi Jim,
I believe you now but even though you have been
posting for a long time some of have not and my
initial reaction was sort of tongue in cheek also.
Since some of us do not know you you can not take it
personally.
Ron
--- jimchristianhall <jimchristianhall@...
Hello all! i am writting for my mom who has recently been dignosed with
early ostiprosis and starting to have symptoms from menopause - she is
wanting to join a support group or something where she can ask questions and
maybe find out more about this. So i thought i would post and ask you guys
if you guys know of any groups? if you want to keep the post off the forum
feel free to email me at ahoy7@... mention something about support
group in the subject. Thanks so much!
i did not mean to offend any one in this group......im not good at writing my
thougts down or expressing my self well.....i just found it hard to believe
that a this happened a week ago ...and a whole town has not raised the money
yet and nothing be done but sit and wait for a family to all come up with
rabies....i was not calling any one a liar......just needed proof this was
true....and if it is sorry for sounding rude ....no matter what you or any
one thinks of me i do have a warm heart...and will pray for this family. and
to any one else who want`s to put me down put your money where your mouth is
and reach into your pockets and send this family money .
Dear Karen,
Thank you for asking these questions. Yes, I did know this family beforehand
because the
Dad is my son's Cub Scoutmaster. He is a low-paid truck driver and the Mom,
Pam,
stays home with the five children. I don't know why the shots are so expense
and it is
also just FLABBERGASTING to many of us that their insurance will not cover the
cost of these rabies vaccinations! Also, their home insurance will not pay to
have the
bat colony exterminated, which is estimated at several thousand dollars. They
can't
go back into their home until the bats are gone.
About the grandparents kicking them out - the oldest son who was bitten by the
rabid
bat had a bad reaction to the first injection and went sort of "crazy" for a
time. The police
had to come put him in restraints and take him to the hospital for treatment.
Believe it
or not, this bothered the grandparents for fear of "what the neighbors are
thinking" and
they told the family to leave (mind-boggling, I know!)
The Mom and Dad seemed to be on the verge of having a nervous breakdown
a couple of days ago, but are doing better now. The children are severely upset
as you might imagine. Another thing I didn't mention - they are going to have
to
get rid of their family pets - a dachshund and an English bulldog - because they
must live in a rental until we are able to raise the funds to bring them home.
The children are very upset about this as well because they love Princess and
Spike.
This is a wonderful family and, honestly, to see what they have been going
through has
been just breaking my heart! If people here don't want to contribute
financially, I ask
them to at least please pray for this family, especially the little children.
Thanks again for your concern and God bless you and everyone else in this
group.
Sincerely, Jim Hall
Jim,
that's one of the most
awful things I've heard in a
long time! Did you know
the family before this?
Why are the shots so
expensive? So, are they
going
to have rabies until they
have the shot? Could you
do a fundraiser in your
town? Why did the
grandparents kick them
out? Wow what a story :(
It makes me sad.
Karen
"hi jim sorry but....i have no
proof that this is some kind
of scam ...nothing
against you but....i find this
story a little to hard to believe."
<
Hello,
That posting really bothered me because:
1. I have been posting here for a long time and I think people know
that I would never try to "scam" them.
2. This post is probably going to discourage people who might
want to contribute something to help this poor family.
3. Every word of the post I submitted about this family's plight
is 100 percent TRUE!
4. The reason that I suggested that people e-mail me first before
contributing is in case they had any questions about the post or
about me personally and my role in collecting financial funds for
them. Also, if anyone was reluctant to send a check to the
address I list, I was going to to give them the name and
address and phone number of the bank holding the Lochard Family
Trust Fund in my town.
5. I get bizarre e-mail messages often about contributing to some
charity that are bogus. But I wouldn't question a post like this from
someone who had participated in a discussion group I was in
regularly for several months.
This family needs HELP, not someone discouraging others from
contributing to aid them.
My wife went over to their rented little house today and took the
small children school supplies and little toys. The mother said that they
have been crying constantly about getting the painful shots and they
also fear that they won't be able to go home again. One little boy, Jonah,
age 4, is having nightmares every night about being bitten by a rabid bat
like his older brother.
Sign me "Disappointed," Jim Hall
Hi folks,
I have been involved with this group since April, so I should be a "known
quantity"
to most of you.
Anyway, a family in my small town has had a terrible series of events happen
to them and they need financial help.
About a week ago, a bat colony invaded their house and at least one of the
bats was rabid. It bit one of their children on the hand.
Because rabies can also be transmitted by bat droppings and spittle, ALL
of the family members must get 11 rabies shots. The total cost is $2,500
per family member and their insurance company says it will not pay(!)
They must also pay several thousand dollars to have the bats eliminated. Since
they don't have this kind of money, they were briefly living in the man's
parents'
home, but his parents kicked them all out into the street! So, the family
rented
a small motel room and stayed there for several days. Now, they have been
able to get into a tiny rental house.
They need several thousand dollars to pay for the medical treatment and to
get back into their home. This family is very traumatized (especially since
grandma and grandpa kicked them out on the street!) and the small children
are very frightened.
I am in a small group of people in my town who are trying to help this family -
The Troy and Pam Lochard family. Since we have gotten them clothed,
fed, school supplies for the children and into a rental home....the biggest
need now is for money so they can return to their home after the bats
are dealt with.
If you feel led to contribute financially to this family, please e-mail me and
I will tell you how you can do it. My e-mail address is:
jimchristianhall@....
Thanks and God bless!, Jim Hall
hi jim sorry but....i have no proof that this is some kind of scam ...nothing
against you but....i find this story a little to hard to believe.
Juan,
that is just a scary message you wrote. I would definitely get in touch
with a psychiatrist if you don't already have one and tell him/her what you
said below if you don't know where to start. How do you know that someone
is 'dumb' by just looking at them at a mall. Why is someone dumb if they
have a lot of shopping bags and what is the IRC? Well I hope you get the
services that you need :)
Good Luck,
Karen
Juan,
From what you've written it sounds as though you are seriously
depressed and feeling disconnected from the great, loving source of
the universe. I think the best thing you could do for yourself right
now would be to make an appointment with a psychiatrist and tell
him/her just exactly what you stated in your message below. There is
definitely more to life and to the world than what you are currently
seeing.
Best wishes,
Celeste
HELLO ALL: I think that trying to improve our selves physically and mentally
in order to feel important and so that to make an impression among society
is dumb today. It is safe to assume what I am saying. Today we are not
people or important people, what we're really in this ocean of ordered
disordered stupid-hole societies in which we were born are assets to the
oligarchists, we are not important people, we are just tools for their evil
goals.
So like i said again trying to do too much, workin too hard, dieting,
exercising , hunger-pangs is really a waste of energy and time. I mean for
all you do you go out and comeback with no satisfaction whatsoever anyways,
so why not just stay at your cool warm bedroom reading a book, playing a
cool warez or harassing people on IRC or on a stupid forum all out in the
safety n comfort of your cave in your home where nobody else can bother you.
Look, there is just no way out of this meaningless existence, the
original quest for salvation from sin, has been transformed into one for
consumption without end through the mechanisms of the science, technology
and free market, global neo-capitalist economy created by the modern cogito:
"I consume therefore I am." If you don't consume you will be NOBODY, you
will be SHIT, that's right you heard me SHIT.
Just think about it, every time you go to the mall, you see dumb people
all over, what are they? Slaves? It is like a sort of competion, where the
one with the most shopping bags wins the game.
They're not people at all, they just assets, tools, slaves of the masters
that are controlling us. So my proposal is to take it easy, rest, or get an
addiction just to escape this existence for a while
Juan Carlos
So far, I am still waiting for my gums to heal... the
surgeon told me it may take about three months... Then
my (alternative) dentist will give me a temporary
plate...
Hi,
I was thinking about the debates on this board -
silver, shots, nutrasweet, etc.
What it really seems to come down to is who a person
wants to invest their belief in.
Like most people, I invested my belief in mainstream,
conventional medicine. But,
mainstream medicine let me down and nearly killed me.
I was given medicines that
had side effects so terrible that I couldn't function.
I was told that hypoglycemia was
a "myth" even though my blood sugar was 40 and I was
often nearly comatose.
I could go on and on....
Now, on the other hand. I once invested all of my
belief into the "alternative," "complementary,"
"Holistic" approach. But then, I discovered health
food companies that lie and deceive about
their products and alternative medical people who take
their patients to the cleaners for
tens of thousands of dollars and the patient is still
as sick as they were before they got
robbed.
So, I guess I'd have to say that I have a difficult
time investing my belief these days in
EITHER mainstream or alternative medicine.
Either way, it's patient/consumer beware.
My Two Cents
Juan,
You need to see a dietician, your doctor and a psychiatrist while you
are at it.
All you need to do is EXCERCISE.( swimming, riding a bike, dancing)
It will take you about 1 month or so to lose 10lbs ESPECIALLY if you
keep eating like this. However, you won't have the energy to do
excercise( as you mention SO often) BECAUSE you don't consume enough
calories.
KEEP A FOOD DIARY. Let your doctor see what you are eating.
Renee
HELLO ALL: Ok here is my new diet program which will increase my feelings of
superiority because it will make me more handsome:
Breakfast: a plate of pineapple with equal diet sugar
Morning supplements: 1 levothyroxin (0.1 mg) 1 Asenlix (clobenzorex), 1
chromium
Mid morning: Diet pepsi and coffee (to kill boredom)
Lunch: a plate of cooked cabbage with tomatoes, and eggplants with cooking
spray, chinese sauce and (garlic powder and onion powder)
1 cup of rice, 7 oz of baked chicken
Afternoon supplements: 1 asenlix (clobenzorex) 1 chromium, 1
multivitamin-minerals
Dinner: cream of wheat made with (8 tablespoons of cream of wheat, 2 cups of
2% milk, diet sugar, 1 teaspoon of salt)
NOTE: asenlix is an appetite suppressant which kills boredom, shyness and
appetite levels (noradrenorgenic)
Exercise routine: walking 45 minutes 2 times/week
Juan Carlos
What have you done after you have your teeth extracted? Partial
plate?Thanks.. Nil
Thank you for all this interesting information. I
have a question, though. Is there anybody with
hypothyroidism,
who is trying to get well without hormones?
Ever since I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, I have
tried to avoid taking hormones. Sometimes, I believe
that I have actually recovered and then I have days
with low BBT (96.6), a lack of energy, memory, etc.
My hair is thicker again and my weight is nicely under
control, but there are these bad days and I wonder if
anybody has any new ideas on how to get well without
hormones...
I have written to this group about Thytrophin, Maca,
iodine and my new diet. Now I am taking L-Tyrosin...
I did all the cleansings, recommended by Dr. Clark,
had 6 teeth extracted and felt much better
afterwards... everything helps, but I still hope that
there may be something that will raise my BBT and give
me more energy constantly... Maybe I ask for too much,
too soon, but reading Dr. Clark's book, I understand
and believe that I should be able to cure myself... or
maybe my body has gone through too much in the past:
starvation, rape, typhoid fever, dysentery, etc. etc.
and I cannot get healthier and should just be happy
that I am alive...
In a message dated 8/8/2002 6:35:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
laurannagirl@... writes:
Lauranna,
Yes, I believe average daily body temp is an important clinical sign often
overlooked or downplayed by many physicians treating hypothyroid people. If
your child consistently ran a higer than normal temp, would you be satisfied
if the doctor said, "oh, that's okay, it's just "normal"?" No, you'd want to
know the cause because a non-average temperature means something is wrong
with some system in the body.
Instead of the BBT which can vary in the ways you described, I prefer the
average daily temp method. You take your temp three times daily and average
them. I think that provides a more accurate tracking of where you are
through the day.
Here's a link that tells about the importance of maintaining correct body
temp:
<A
HREF="http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/TheSyndrome.htm"
hyroidsyndrome.com/TheSyndrome.htm</A
And here's a page that tells how to do the average daily temp, thoughts on
the best kinds of thermometers, a temp log for keeping track, etc.: <A
HREF="http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/HowAreTempsMeasured.htm"
http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/HowAreTempsMeasured.htm</A
Good luck!
Linda
OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we can't get flu shots
either??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm getting so tired of all this scare tactic crap. I don't know WHO
to believe....organic, not organic..........immunize/not
immunize.......aspartame/not aspartame. Unfortunately, you can find
any numbers to back up ANYTHING you want to prove. Whether they are
true or not,well..............We can ONLY go on the information that
we have at the time and mine says get the damn flu shot! LOL
Sorry Ron, don't take this personally..............
Renee
Just hang out and watch the posts. Also, go through the old ones.
We're all trying to deal with this disease and everyone is affected
differently by it. It's hard work to combat it, just plain hard work.
Check out this website too. It has a WEALTH of information :
www.thyroid.about.com
Good Luck,
Renee
Hi,
I used to drink 4-5 diet Pepsis with nutrasweet in
them daily. I have read
enough research and seen some news programs that
convince me that
there could be a pretty serious problem with it. I've
gone down to
ONE Diet Pepsi a day. I don't think the stuff is
completely poisonous
in small doses, but I probably should just get off of
it altogether.
I saw a network news segment a couple of years ago
where a bunch
of airline pilots were banning together to try to
prevent any pilots from
ingesting it before or during flights because they
said it causes them
severe headaches and dizziness.
We can't always just assume that because the FDA
approves of something
that it is completely safe. Just ONE example:
Rezulin, a diabetic drug
that was taken off the market last year after 84
people died of liver disease.
My two cents
Marcie,
I would get another opinion on this. Your labs seem fine, other than your
cholesterol and to be put on such a high dose with those findings seems
premature. I'm on 100 mcgs and my levels were much worse. I mean, you may
feel better with a lower TSH of 1 or 2, but 100 mcgs seems like a lot in
order to get that small decrease in TSH. Just my opinion. good luck!
Karen
I met with my endocrinologist today to go over my labs. The good
news is he has ruled out polycystic ovary syndrome and an
insulinoma. There are the results from the various thyroid test he
ordered, I would welcome your insight on them.
Total cholestrol (not a fasted sample) 237 H
HDL 62
LDL 157 H
Thyroid AB (ATA, TPO) TGB antiboidies <2.0 (<2)
Thyroid peroxidase antibodies
Total T3 164 (60 - 181)
T-3 uptake 22 (22-35%)
Total T-4 9.7 (4.5 - 12.5)
Total Free T-4 index 2.1 (1.4-3.8)
TSH 3.51 (0.4 - 5.5)
He feels based on my symptoms (fatigue, weight gain, cold all the
time) that I am basically subclinical at this point. He therefore
wants to start me on Levoxyl (50 micrograms) for a week than up to 75
for a week and finally 100 micrograms.
Again I would appreciate any advice or words of wisdom you may have
to offer.
Marcie
I think that even if there's a "potential" for long term health
problems, everyone should be at least have some caution when
taking/using something until all studies are complete.
Love,
Renee and Jerry
According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD., the worlds leading
immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our
times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if
an individual has had five cosecutive flu shots
between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her
chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
higher than if they had one, two or no shots. (1)
Dr. Fudenberg said that it was due to the mercury that
is in every flu shot (and many childhood shots). The
gradual mercury buildup in the brain causes cognitive
dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is expected to
quadruple? (2)
(1) Dr. Fudenberg at the NVIC International Vaccine
Conference, Arlngton, VA September 1997.
(2) John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov. 1998.
Juan,
Well, no wonder your feet and back hurt when you walk. You're probably
in a constant state of dehydration from all the diet pepsi and coffee
that you drink. Your muscles are probably in a constant state of
tension from all the caffiene.
I'm very sad to hear that you are also a cigarette smoker. My uncle
and my mother both died of lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. Not
only did they die a lot younger than they should have, but their
deaths were also very, very painful. As they lay dying they both
regretted ever having smoked. I hope you will quit smoking today.
Best wishes,
Celeste
Hello ALL: I am addicted to Diet Pepsi, oh well i will quit drinking diet
pepsi, coffee, cigarettes and nutrasweet when: I get a good job and lose 10
lbs (diets bore me so i have to smooth this unattractive truth)
"THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO BE"
One theme which starts to emerge on Signals is the concern with hindividuals
wanting to escape from the monotony of routine, or struggling to fulfil
their dreams. The opening track, "Subdivisions" captures this mood very
well. This song is one of my favourites:
Subdivisions
Sprawling on the fringes of the city
In geometric order
An insulated border
In between the bright lights
And the far unlit unknown
Growing up it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone
Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone
(Subdivisions)
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
(Subdivisions)
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
Any escape might help to smooth the unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth
Drawn like moths we drift into the city
The timeless old attraction
Cruising for the action
Lit up like a firefly
Just to feel the living night
Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights...
Juan Carlos
From: "a1thighmaster" <thighmaster@...
I have just been diagnosed with Hashimoto's Disease. Does
anyone know anything about it? Does anyone have any
suggestions about how to deal with it/prevent it from turning into
full-blown hypothyroidism? I want a miracle...or something. Help.
Jen,
Of course some lawyers are good people. I have a good friend who is a
lawyer and a good person. He specializes in consumer advocacy.
Unfortunately, though, I've also met lawyers who are the kind that
tend to lend credibility to that unsavory lawyer stereotype.
Best wishes,
Celeste
Misty,
You've used a lot of terms that I've never seen before. What is
pseudotumor cerebri? What is arnold chiari? What is decompression
surgery and what is its purpose? What's an lp shunt? What does "going
hydro" mean?
Much aloha,
Celeste
Renee,
I've never had any bad effects from aspartame so I have no reason to
believe any of the anti-aspartame propaganda. Monsanto also makes
clothing. Are you going to throw away those cancer-causing clothes
too?
If it isn't broken then I have no reason to "fix" what doesn't need
fixing.
Best wishes,
Celeste
I didn't know Monsanto (who makes Roundup weed killer, made aspartame
too. Round up causes cancer, (I can find an article for you if you want)
and my guess, will be pulled from shelves in next few years. This info
below scared me enough to stop drinking it, and try the drinks with more
natural forms of sugar and just cut down. ;)
http://www.aspartame.ca/indexa.html
http://www.aspartame.ca/page_a1.html
http://www.aspartame.ca/page_a2a.html
http://www.aspartame.ca/page_a5.html
http://www.aspartame.ca/page_a7.htm
http://www.aspartame.ca/page_a4.html
Love,
Renee and Jerry
Hi Everyone my name is Misty and i suffer from hypothyroidism,
pseudotumor cerebri , arnold chiari , essential tremors , i have had
decompression surgery , lp shunt, and i just recently had brain surgy
to help me now i stay tried all the time wich can be a sign of me
going hydro... if not then it is my levoxyl levels not being
highenough..
if anyone can help me please do ... i need any input from anyone that
has acm ,ptc and decompression surgery
how long did it tak you to get your energy back
how long did it take for your levels of levoxyl or what ever to
straighten out...
and how fast did you get to the proper doasge.. because it is taking
me longer .. i also have hairsutism... help if you can
god bless everyone
and thank you all for your help in advance.. god bless you all
misty
Jeni,
Yes, I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I know
far too many people (myself included) who are ingesting aspartame
daily without suffering any ill effects whatsoever. I believe that
there are lawyers who will try to jump on any litigation bandwagon
they can find.
Your claims are just that . . . claims. I don't see any irrefutable
proof in it anywhere.
As for the non-aspartame sodas . . . well, the only non-aspartame
sodas I have seen recently all contain sugar. And I've never liked
sugared sodas. I only started drinking sodas since the aspartame
sweetened ones became available. Sugared sodas are too sweet tasting
and they make me sleepy. Unless it's after a long run and then a
Surge or a Jolt makes a pretty good recovery drink.
Best wishes,
Celeste
In a message dated 8/6/2002 11:19:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
laurannagirl@... writes:
Ah! Lauranna!!
Here you have put your finger in your first question on what I consider the
crux of the problem with treatment of hypothyroidism in the US (the world?)
today! Many of us (not all) have the same situation in our lives. I myself
went untreated for hypothyroidism for 30 years, in spite of having all the
classic signs you list and more, all because of the tyranny of the TSH test.
My last test almost a year ago showed my TSH at something like .03 yet I was
so totally hypothyroid it wasn't funny anymore! It was May in Sothern
California yet I was wearing two shirts and a sweater, long pants, socks and
shoes to the doctor's office. Further, I fell asleep in the car on the way
to the doctor and again on the way back home. I couldn't sit up straight
because I was too tired so I sat the entire time in the endo's office
partially slumped over from exhaustion and an aching spine. My blood
pressure was so low my blood was creeping through me, my heart rate was
soemthing like 70, and my body temp was in the 97s. In spite of all this,
the Dr. wrote down on my chart that I was hyPER thyroid because of my low TSH
numbers!
Amazing!
When I realized it was my life or his pride, I fired him and finally found a
holistic MD who believes in treating me with thyroid medicine based on my
symptoms and my body temperature rather than my blood tests. I haven't had a
blood test for thyroid condition in over a year. I'm doing 500% better than
before. My body temp is now averaging 98.3, I've lost 21 pounds, I can
exercise again without staying sore for months, my thinking and memory have
both improved.
My advice to you would be to find a doctor similar to mine who will assess
you based on your symptoms and your body temperature, which is an important
(and often overlooked) piece of clinical evidence of illness. Don't believe
any doc who tells you 97.6 degrees is normal for you! You were absolutely
correct (IMNSHO) to run from the thyroid inhibiting medicine your doc was
going to give you.
Here are some places you can look for new docs. (I have to pay for mine
out-of-pocket since he's not covered by my stupid HMO. But I am still alive
and able to make the money he charges, so that's a definite plus!)
www.about.thyroid.com
www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com
www.brodabarnes.com or .org?
Good luck!
Linda in LA
Hi everyone! I'm Lauranna, and I'm 36 with one 3 yr old daughter. I
have hypothyroidism, and I am going to see an endocrinologist on
August the 20th.
I have a question. How much faith do you all put into your blood
tests? And are you able to get your Doctors to listen to you, and
not just some numbers???
The reason I ask is this: I went for my last physical in June. My
blood work came back and showed that I was HYPER, not hypo. TSH
at .12 . I was not on any medication for thyroid. The diagnosis was
BS, to say the least. I am a poster child for hypo, including
extreme exhaustion, difficult periods, dry skin and hair, weight
gain, cold feet, etc (I could go on, there's more).
My oh-so-wonderful GP called me and said, "You're thyroid is out of
whack. I'm going to call you in a perscription." Period. End of
diagnosis. (Also end of DR! I will NOT be seeing him again). If it
hadn't been for the fact that I did some research, and then went and
collected every lab test I have ever had done, I would never have
even known that he was going to put me on meds for HYPER. I shudder
to think what that would have done to me...
So, now I'm going to see this endocrinologist, and I fear she's
going to just run some lab tests and that's it. Since my last lab
work was obviously not only in error, but possibly life threatening
in it's innacuracy (what would have happened if my thyroid had been
chemically repressed, anyway!?!?), I have NO TRUST in lab results.
I intend to discuss this with her when I get there, at the risk of
alienating her from the start. I would rather not even bother with
lab tests, but pay more attention to how I feel and how I am
responding to meds. Do you think there is any way I can get that to
happen? I HAVE to see an endocrinologist, or my insurance won't pay
for this...
Another question I have is should I insist right from the start for
Armour? I like the idea of a natural med rather than synthetic, and
the combination of T3 and T4 just seems like common sense to me.
Thank all of you in advance for any advice you offer...
I'll take my chances with sugar & just cut down.
wendy
I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one.
From personal experience and immeasurable research, I have seen enough
evidence to know this stuff is NOT healthy. As for the link you sent,
I really wasn't making any claims that aspartame causes Lupus or MS,
nor do I think this is necessarily a rational theory so we agree
there. However, there are cases in which patients were misdiagnosed
with MS, when in actuality they were found to have neurological damage
caused by aspartame (methanol)- I'm guessing this could have been
twisted to say there were claims that aspartame causes MS- which
should not be surprising.
The apple claim- We learned about the falsities of those studies
years ago in undergrad chemistry- The way they went about these
studies is a real joke and too much to go into here but you may want
to read this: http://www.321recipes.com/bowen_methanol.html
Even the NSDA (National Soft Drink Assoc) was against the FDA approval
of aspartame pending further study. And after the undisclosed
toxicity reports surfaced, they reported to congress that they were
aware this type of unstable chemical IS ILLEGAL according to the FDC
act. You see, even THEY did not support Monsanto (the manufacturer).
Even worse- the molecular makeup in play here actually classifies
Aspartame as a NARCOTIC- one that has been proven to cause brain
lesions and neurological disorders as well as acting as brain tumor
agents. The chemical makeup of an apple is NOT the same as in
aspartame- if it were, an apple would be labeled a narcotic as well.
Did you know the companies that manufacture these sweeteners are NOT
nor ever have been required to perform government-mandated research
studies on these products? This leaves the manufacturing companies to
completely control and create biased outcomes from their research OR
not disclose them at all (which they did). Plus, they (Monsato) were
found to have falsified documentation, concealed toxicity reports, and
corrupted vast amounts of information in their efforts to get
aspartame approved by the FDA- why were they not later indicted?
Because the statue of limitations had already expired. Their own
research proved this chemical is deadly! It provided enough evidence
that the FDA was able to later use it in creating it's own 98 known
Aspartame reactions for the research currently underway.
Since no charges could be brought up, the only action congress could
take was to pass a bill requiring more in-depth studies be done.
However, as any other political scientist can tell you, Monsato is a
HUGE lobbier in congress (how they helped get FDA commissioner Hayes
in office so he could approve Aspartame in the first place) and the
bill was never allowed out of committee. Hayes backed Monsato's
actions although he was really only covering his own a$$ by assuring
he didn't have to admit he put poison on the market.
Congress is fully aware of the dangers of this drug- if they weren't
they would not have taken steps in the direction of refuting this
product, nor would anyone have tried to bring up charges against them.
As a law student- I can't tell you how many cases we study that are
brought up and quietly "settled out of court" by Coca Cola and Pespi
as well as by Monsato- most of which are people who have gone blind
in at least one eye from aspartame poisoning.
As an ex-nurse- I have known enough doctors, scientists, and lab
officials, and more importantly- patients- that only add to the
countless studies that prove this stuff should be marked with a big X
on the bottle. Then again, Brittney Spears probaby wouldn't look too
good holding THAT can!
If you'd like more links or info, I'd be happy to share. The truth
is, the entire thing is brilliant from a political perspective. Sad
from a consumers perspective. What I've touched on here is only a
minute example of the extents they have gone through to keep this
stuff available. It's truly amazing. I guess that's why it's
brought up in lecture nearly every semester.
That reminds me, I should be studying.
Best Wishes~
Jeni
Ps. There are "non-aspartame" sodas that are pretty decent-
Many natural, whole foods contain formaldehyde in
measurable amounts.
Why formaldehyde? I know apple skins absorb chemicals, but if it's organic,
it shouldn't have too much or none at all. I don't get that.
Karen
toward women as
opposed to me...?? i know men have this too..dont
they??
Hi Gypsi,
There are a few men on this board and others, but
thyroid problems
are something like three-four times more prevelant
with women than
men.
Also, women have to deal with other issues that might
affect
the thyroid such as female hormones, etc. In other
words, I think
thyroid problems are a bit more complicated for women
to deal
with than men (generally speaking).
Jim
I'd be starving on that diet! lol I'd be hitting the fridge by 4 o
clock- Juan, you must have some incredible will power. The only thing
I'd really have to change on that diet is no diet coke. ASPARTAME!
It's Formaldehyde!!!! check it out: http://cat007.com/coke.htm
I'm just now starting to lose the weight from my hypo symptom increase
(now that I'm getting back on track w/ Armour) and I'm doing the same
thing I did the last time when I lost nearly 100lbs 8 yrs ago. (I was
a biiiig girl! ;) Anyway- two words: WHOLE FOODS.
I eat pretty much anything that hasn't been processed. I stay away
from breads, pastas, CEREAL, and anything with a lot of white flour
and refined sugar. Also, by no means do I eat "perfectly healthy"
(like my husband)- I still eat things that most people say "omygawd!
that's so fattening!" But hey, it works, and I'm human and like good food.
So- a reg day for me runs like this...
1 egg, 1 egg white cooked with a tiny bit of olive oil.
1 apple.
V8 (while my husband makes his own vegetable juice- puhlease. too much
work!)
Ziploc bag full of almonds (stabilize blood sugar- avoid cravings
later)- this bag lasts me all day.
Chicken breast (sometimes w/some skin, sometimes not)
Avacado (usually whole, but doc says I should only eat 1/2)
peach
Cherry Tomatos
Grapes
nonfat/plain yogurt w/ strawberries mixed in it (I make my own "fruit
on the bottom" this way- cuts out about 100 cals)
Turkey Breast
Organic Black Beans
Organic whole wheat rice
Insomnia food- plums, v8, more tomatos, another egg, bell peppers in
cottage cheese. I try to limit night food, but it's hard when I don't
go to sleep until 3 am.
My nutritionist would love to make changes to this, but this is what I
like, and it's what makes me feel good so :P to her, plus I lose
weight eating like this so I must be doing something right!
My favorite tip that she gave me: If you go to the fridge, you open
it, don't see anything that jumps at you, get a drink instead and come
back later until something DOES jump at you. Now, 1 out of 2 times
that I run to the fridge, I don't eat.
When my thyroid is out of whack, I eat tons of cereal. I could eat it
all day. And then of course, I go right to sleep because I can't keep
my eyes open. Put me back on Armour, and my entire appetite changes.
Does anyone else find they do this too?
Jeni
Elaine,
It's best to include some kind of strength or resistance training in
addition to some aerobic exercise. Doing so will help prevent the
muscle loss that often occurs when a person loses weight. You want to
lose the fat, but keep the muscle. Muscle is virually the only
metabolically active tissue in the body. When a person loses muscle
then their metabolic rate drops even further and it becomes even
harder to lose fat.
I think a good diet for a hypothyroid person is one which is neither
too high nor too low in carbohydrates and which contains a good
amount of protein and essential fats. Take a look at
http://www.drsears.com/ to learn about The Zone Diet.
Best wishes,
Celeste
(who has worked for Gold's Gym and elsewhere as a certified personal
fitness trainer)
All,
I am having all the problems of being Hypo cramps extreme tiredness, depression
, all the good things that make this awful condition up. all my blood test are
fine. I may have track down the root cause. When I take inhaled steroids,
benicor margarine, put my water softener on, and just recently
taking a vitamin and mineral pill, although this is not confirmed as yet. It
feels when I do this that my body in not making something and my body is no
being fed with what ever is missing. It sounds crazy.
My question is to the board, the only thing that is left is my adrenal glands,
if these are not working right would you blood tests for thyroxin TSH etc still
show the right levels.
Is there any body in the UK that has seen Dr Skinner please contact me.
Thanks
John C UK
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I'm willing to bet money that she's on a thyroid med that doesn't have
both T3/T4. I'm also going to bet that she's tried dieting/exercise
with little or no success. So, for that reason I'm going to agree
with the last post and suggest she take a good look at her medication.
It may not be the right one/dosage for her.
I was put on a med that only had T4 once- did NOT have the same
effect as Armour (which has T3 and T4). Once I was on Armour, I
dropped nearly 100 lbs in a little over a year. Why? Because I had
energy, and wanted to MOVE all the time. I just "felt good." Because
of that, I no longer sat around and ate all day. As for exercise, I
started with light weights as I was first coming out of my brain fog.
Unfortunately, I switched to a homeopathic version of Armour which
has failed me in the last few mos and I've put on nearly 35lbs-
Already coming off now that I'm back on Armour and I'm not even on the
right dose yet!
I have to suggest this website:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/28/thyroid_disease.htm
Before you start looking at diets, find out more about what you're
dealing with and that will make it easier on both of you. :)
Best wishes and good luck!
Jeni
HREF="http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com"
FemGest...what is it
Hi gypsi!
I don't know if you're talking about everything here, or hypothyroid
info in general, but either way, I don't know that everything is
"geared toward women." Here it may seem that way because the majority
of the group are indeed women, however, the majority of the discussion
seems to be asexual to me. And of course men have this too. There
are many men that post here and in the other hypo clubs. Maybe it
just seems that way because the majority of hypo peeps are women?
I hope this helps!
best wishes~
Jeni
I'm 43 & presently using "FemGest" over the counter Progesterone Cream. I'm
also on Armour. I've seen some improvement over the last year, but can't
absolutely say it's the Armour. I'm going to a new doctor next week. I'll see
what he has to say. You're right. It's really hard to know for sure if it's
progesterone deficiency or hypothyroidism. Especially when everything seems to
be borderline.
Wendy
hi, what she can do is take an appetite suppressant like phentermine which
helps a lot (u can't lose on will power alone)
Another thing is to take levothyroxin about 0.1 mg a day.
ok here is a good diet:
breakfast: soda crakers, with low fat or fat free cheese
coffee,
lunch: 1 cup of rice cooked with cooking spray
8 oz of chicken (baked) (weighted after cooked)
vegetables (shredded carrots, cabbage, celery, onions, garlic and
all cooked with cooking spray, with chinese soy sauce, and goya seasoning)
dinner: 7 oz of 98% fat free ham
4 slices of 40 calorie bread
diet pepsi, and coffee between meals
good luck
juan carlos
From: "eve22uk2001" <eve22uk2001@...
sorry for the blank email... got finger crazy and sent it before i even got
started... sorry again...
a question??? why is everything geared generally toward women as opposed to
me...?? i know men have this too..dont they??
gypsi
--
Damn, that is so frustrating. I finally found someone to sell me the armour
black market and bought enough for 2 years. That way I could fiddle with the
dosage without dealing with the doctor's bs. Once I let them know I already had
it, they started to listen to me. Once I gave them the info I had gathered in my
library of Thyroid books, they began to listen ( not the endo, though, he thinks
he is god) I have found for me...that my female GYN would listen, and work with
me. Have you considered that route? Julie in CA
Next dr- Same story but after I showed him my exercise/food diary
along w/ my symptoms and history, he agreed to put me back on Armour.
Well, the #'s came back yesterday and they're the same (mind you,
this is w/out the homeopathic med) so I assumed he would increase the
Armour. Nope. "You're in the normal range."
Guess I'm looking for the next dr.... I think they should be paying
ME for this!
Jeni
Hi All,
Im new to the group so i thought id say hi. My name is Elaine and Im
a 23 year old mother of 1 and a half (Im pregnant).
Im not a sufferer of Hypothyroidism but my mother and mother in law
both are. For my mother especially I have joined this group as Im
hoping someone can recommend a diet for her. She is overweight which
I think is very common with this condition and although she has lost
lots of weight in the past, she seems to be stuck where she is. It
is really getting her down and I would really appreciate it if
someone could give me a website or address I could contact to find a
suitable diet for her.
Thanks for reading this.
Elaine
xx
I was diagnosed w/ hypo 8 yrs ago & put on armour- felt great and
dropped about 100 lbs. After my dr retired a few yrs later, I tried a
homeopathic med which didn't work as good, but kept me in the "feelin
ok" range so I stuck with it. I slowly gained a little weight back
but never went over a size 12 which was fine by me.
HOWEVER, last Fall I slowly started feeling like krud again, and I've
gained 35lbs along w/ all of my orig symptoms including migraines. I
had my numbers checked in January and my TSH was at 2.6 (my comfort
zone is 1.4) so I asked my dr to put me back on armour but she
insisted I was "ok" & told me to make dietary changes and see if that
helped. Made em- migraines/symptoms only got worse.
In June, I went to an endocrinologist- same thing. "you're numbers
are in the norm range." (now they're 4+) I tried to tell him how I
felt, and that my numbers were slowly increasing along w/ my symptoms.
Nothing. He then gave me a list of problems "that I needed to
address" (weight, cardiac,etc) and put me on a high dosage of daily
inderal for the migraines. I said, "aren't these all symptoms of
hypo? Doesn't that mean my meds need to be adjusted rather than added
to?" He said no, & then told me I needed to lose weight (no shit) and
to start attending weight watchers meetings, 1200 cals/day, & increase
my exercise. I told him I was already at 1200 cals/day and he could
talk to my personal trainer if he didn't think I was exercising- he
said "exercise more."
Next dr- Same story but after I showed him my exercise/food diary
along w/ my symptoms and history, he agreed to put me back on Armour.
Well, the #'s came back yesterday and they're the same (mind you,
this is w/out the homeopathic med) so I assumed he would increase the
Armour. Nope. "You're in the normal range."
Guess I'm looking for the next dr.... I think they should be paying
ME for this!
Jeni
Renee,
Do you have Hashimoto's?
You may have just read my post to Angelina, but I just wanted to let
you know that I have always felt the effects of my Armour dosage
changes within two weeks. Also the homeopathic variety I was on- two
weeks.
I'm not sure about which med you should request, but I'm guessing that
since both your TSH and your T4 #'s are issues here, that you may need
to be on something with both T3 and T4 (I love armour). Then again,
I've never been on Cytomel and have heard many people say this is the
only thing that works for them. Hopefully, someone here will be able
to answer that one better for you!
Take care~
Jeni
Angelina,
I TOTALLY here you. I'm going through the same thing. I have NO
patience, I'm always tired, my body aches, and my outlook is VERY
dim. I'm really beginning to wonder if I shouldn't switch off of
Levoxyl and go onto Armour or other. Everyone seems to be different
on this stuff but you and I seem to be in the same boat right now.
OH, unfortunately, you really need to stay away from the caffeine, it
just makes things worse. I've lived through that already. If I want a
pep me up I just drink a cup or two of green tea( decaf) and it seems
to work but then you are talking to someone who hasn't had coffee,
reg. tea, sodas in two 1/2 years.
I'm back in a regimine of taking LOTS of supplements ( I HATE it
but....)Remember, taking your B-complex, you need C with it.
Well, that's about all I can add right now. Hopefully both of us will
be improving. ( I'm fighting a virus right now...ugh)
Renee
many useful information. Sorry if I havent been contributing as I am
relatively new to this problem.
thyroxine, after getting my blood test back and it proved that
thyroxine is helping me getting back on the 'normal' TSH level. Doc
didnt say anything about the results of all the other tests. Told her
about my bout of heavy depression, lack of energy, migraine and
irritability... she was SHOCKED and suprised to know about the side-
effects! Which scared me as she DIDnt's KNOW about the side effects
that thyroxine had on people! When I asked her is there any other
medication that I might need to take and anything that can be done to
help reduce these symptoms, she told me simply to hang onto the
dosage that I'm taking for another month and see what happens! This
is from a doctor that is quite reputable in her work and knowledge of
thyroid problems!
consultation regarding my depression and irritability as it is now on
the border line of destroying my relationship with my boyfriend. I am
crying almost every night and getting irritated at everyone at work
almost every single day - 2 particular ladies for some reason have
been getting on my nerves for no reason at all lately! - still has
lack of energy, and bouts of mood-swings. My poor flatmate is
suffering from it too... it's like living with a living volcano -
Never know when it's going to erupt! So I have basically been keeping
to myself in my room most of the time and being VERY anti-social.
Went to my best friends' engagement party, what was meant to be a
joyous occassion that I have been looking forward to in weeks turned
out to be the MOST horrible and MOST uncomfortable event in my life!
the symptoms a little bit. Not much though. I found (probably just
the effects of caffeine) that whenever I have some chiller drinks
from Gloria Jeans, I suddenly feel NORMAL! and feel heaps of energy,
alertness and able to think clearly! but obviously this doesnt last
long. After an hour or so, I would back to my old tired fatigue self
again. I am suprised as I have never had such a reaction from
caffeine before - I used to be able to drink mugs and mugs of coffee
and not have it affect me at all. Just wondering if anyone else might
have experienced this?
not be) at the lack of knowledge of doctors regarding medical
treatment. I am going to talk to my GP on Monday regarding Armour(?)
as the thyroid doctor never heard of it before ( i think i wont be
going to see her any more) and maybe even getting some anti-
depressant to help me get over my depression.
Hi all,
One quick question.
How long before you start deciding that a medcine just isn't working
for you? I've been taking Levoxyl since I got diagnosed but we
haven't been able to "level" my levels off. I don't think I put my
last reading ( did I???)......forgive me if I have..
TSH 6.46
Free T4 - 1.1
Now, just back in May I was 1.1 and then I went hyper.........
I haven't discussed this idea with my doc but if it were any of you
guys, would you go ahead and be requested to be put on Armour or
Cytomel?
Renee
I don't know if this helps ladies but my neighbor gets migraines VERY
often and it's ALWAYS after her period. She asked a doctor( her Mom's
doctor ironically) about this and she said it's because of the
hormone changes. Since the thyroid has some control over hormones and
imbalance of said, I could only imagine that this COULD cause a
migraine for some sufferers of thyroid problems.
This is just a guess here............but I would definitely check
with your docs. :-)
Renee
Anyway, sorry for rambling on. But I am very suprised (or should I not be) at
the lack of knowledge of doctors regarding medical treatment. I am going to talk
to my GP on Monday regarding Armour(?) as the thyroid doctor never heard of it
before ( i think i wont be going to see her any more) and maybe even getting
some anti-depressant to help me get over my depression.
Thanks for all your help and listening to my rambling.
Ange
Ange, you may need a thyroid replacement that contains both T-4 and T-3
something like Armour or Thyrolar. I am unable to process T-4 medications alone.
I get worse not better. Your depression and irritibility, anxiety will decrease
once you get the correct medication in you. Hang in there. Have you gone on Mary
Shoman's site? Julie in CA.
Flax seed oil may be more fragile than fish oil...and some people do not
digest it well. Already ground flax seed will most likely be rancid. Flax
seed is so inexpensive and it grinds easily in a blender (bought one new for
dad at Meijers a couple weeks ago for 9.99 - used ones are at Salvation
Army, Goodwill, St.Vincent DePaul stores. use a jelly jar with it to
grind.) Flaxseed in capsules have the same challenge--are you certain
they're not rancid?
If you are gluten intolerant, your digestive system won't like flax seed.
However, if you are accustomed to getting gas from using psyllium, ground
flaxseed may serve you well.
I generally cover 2 tablespoons to a quarter cup with water and leave on the
counter overnight. This semi-sprouting destroys the phytates in the seed
covering that make seeds relatively indigestible. I then add more
liquid--half cup of cottage cheese, my lemon cod liver oil, my liquid B
vitamins, some liquid minerals, an egg, my dulse/kelp extract, honey, lemon
juice, and blend. Makes a fine breakfast drink. Works with just water
too - without any of that stuff I take.
Barlean's goes out of their way to avoid heating flaxseed oil in processing
and shipping, but even theirs can be off. Udo's is a nice combination, but
again, the fragility of seed oils is the concern.
Fish oils don't generally have the problem of rancidity. Instead, the thing
to look for in them is a phrase that guarantees it's "mercury free."
Carlson's Lemon Cod Liver Oil isn't bad at all and does have that guarantee.
Kind regards,
SaraLou
I sometimes get migraines. But, I'm not sure if it's Hypo related or not.
Wendy
Look into EFAs (essential fatty acids) like flax or cod liver oil.
Definately get T3, don't settle for T4 alone. Tell your doctor you want a
free T3 test, which should be in the upper quadrant of range. Look at
www.brodabarnes.org Broda Barnes believed diabetes is a thyroid symptom
but Broda Barnes docs use Armour.
Gracia
recently had a angioplasty after going to emergency for chest pains. (thank
goodness I did ...I had an artey that was 98% blocked!) Anyway I am on a
diabetic diet now and also low fat, low salt, low caffeine etc. for my
heart. I have lost 26 lbs since June 10. Last week I started taking apple
cider vinagar tablets because I read they burn off fat ...does anyone know
if this is true? Also does anyone know what else I could be taking in the
vitamin, mineral, herb area for my diabetese and my heart and to help me
lose weight that woudl not interfere with the prescribed medications I am
on. I am presently taking a multivitamin, garlic pills, chromium and
calcium.
I am hypothyroid and I just recently found out I am diabetic. I also have
recently had a angioplasty after going to emergency for chest pains. (thank
goodness I did ...I had an artey that was 98% blocked!) Anyway I am on a
diabetic diet now and also low fat, low salt, low caffeine etc. for my heart. I
have lost 26 lbs since June 10. Last week I started taking apple cider vinagar
tablets because I read they burn off fat ...does anyone know if this is true?
Also does anyone know what else I could be taking in the vitamin, mineral, herb
area for my diabetese and my heart and to help me lose weight that woudl not
interfere with the prescribed medications I am on. I am presently taking a
multivitamin, garlic pills, chromium and calcium.
Does anyone get migraines as a symptom of hypothryoid? Or heard that
it can be?
Jeni
Hi everyone,
I have been following the group messages immensely and found many many useful
information. Sorry if I havent been contributing as I am relatively new to this
problem.
Now just an update on my thyroid problems....
I have finally managed to get through my first month of being on thyroxine,
after getting my blood test back and it proved that thyroxine is helping me
getting back on the 'normal' TSH level. Doc didnt say anything about the results
of all the other tests. Told her about my bout of heavy depression, lack of
energy, migraine and irritability... she was SHOCKED and suprised to know about
the side-effects! Which scared me as she DIDnt's KNOW about the side effects
that thyroxine had on people! When I asked her is there any other medication
that I might need to take and anything that can be done to help reduce these
symptoms, she told me simply to hang onto the dosage that I'm taking for another
month and see what happens! This is from a doctor that is quite reputable in her
work and knowledge of thyroid problems!
I am now prompted to go to see my family GP and seek his consultation regarding
my depression and irritability as it is now on the border line of destroying my
relationship with my boyfriend. I am crying almost every night and getting
irritated at everyone at work almost every single day - 2 particular ladies for
some reason have been getting on my nerves for no reason at all lately! - still
has lack of energy, and bouts of mood-swings. My poor flatmate is suffering from
it too... it's like living with a living volcano - Never know when it's going to
erupt! So I have basically been keeping to myself in my room most of the time
and being VERY anti-social. Went to my best friends' engagement party, what was
meant to be a joyous occassion that I have been looking forward to in weeks
turned out to be the MOST horrible and MOST uncomfortable event in my life!
Since my last posting I have started taking Vitamin B, it's helping the symptoms
a little bit. Not much though. I found (probably just the effects of caffeine)
that whenever I have some chiller drinks from Gloria Jeans, I suddenly feel
NORMAL! and feel heaps of energy, alertness and able to think clearly! but
obviously this doesnt last long. After an hour or so, I would back to my old
tired fatigue self again. I am suprised as I have never had such a reaction from
caffeine before - I used to be able to drink mugs and mugs of coffee and not
have it affect me at all. Just wondering if anyone else might have experienced
this?
Anyway, sorry for rambling on. But I am very suprised (or should I not be) at
the lack of knowledge of doctors regarding medical treatment. I am going to talk
to my GP on Monday regarding Armour(?) as the thyroid doctor never heard of it
before ( i think i wont be going to see her any more) and maybe even getting
some anti-depressant to help me get over my depression.
Thanks for all your help and listening to my rambling.
Ange
Well shucks!I thought I was doing really good by using splenda
instead of nutrasweet :(
Which is the worse of the 2 evils?!
Jenn
There may be a dark side to Splenda too.
http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm
Juan Carlos,
With 10 packets of equa